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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Dbs6582, this site is mostly a blackjack site, and I was wondering how you did on blackjack this past year. Did you have a winning year? Did you answer the poll question? I hope you don't feel guilty if you won a few bucks at the casino. I'm sure the government won't miss the few bucks in tax income you caused by reducing the casino's profit.
    Midwest Player, yes I had a winning year. I’ve said that a couple times on this forum. I think I answered your poll question...but I’m not sure since you have so many polls. Believe it or not, your polls are not the most important thing in my life. Lol

    Yes, I do feel a little guilty when I win money from my local casinos. I’ve said this on this forum many times. I’m surprised you missed it. I’m currently living in one of the poorest states in our union and our local casinos are kind of like the local bar, where the community comes together to enjoy a little gambling, music and social interaction. Since I feel a little guilty winning money in these casinos, I usually try to be one of the biggest tippers to give back a little to the community. I know it’s not much, but it makes me feel better, and it definitely makes me more liked at the casinos, and with the dealers and waitresses.

    The situation is different when I visit larger casinos in larger states. I know this isn’t being totally consistent, but the reality is I don’t feel bad when I extract money from a larger casino. When I lived on the east coast, I never felt guilty taking money from Foxwood or MS but I also didn’t play there much because I didn’t care for these big impersonal casinos.

    When I go to casinos, my objectives are a little different than most APs. For me, it’s about more than just winning money. I like the entertainment, and interaction with the locals. As Zee has said, it allows me to interact with people I wouldn't normally interact with at my job. Casinos are a way for me decompress after a busy week at work.

    I can tell some of my comments have struck a nerve in you. Sorry about that. The reason I brought this up is to point out the real reason states have legalized casinos (casinos didn’t just pop up on their own). It’s to raise revenue for the State. They are now legal in 42 States, and I expect in the future all 50 states will legalize them. They aren’t legal in Texas yet and It’s causing Texas to lose a lot of revenue to neighboring states, where huge casinos have been built just over the Texas state line to take advantage of the Texas market. Texas has a lottery so it’s just a matter of time before they legalize casinos.

    Rather than thinking of taking money from a casino, an AP should remember what they’re really doing is taking money from the state and local governments. Basically, what we’ve done is discovered a loophole in the govenrment’s voluntary tax program. There’s nothing wrong with that and it’s legal, but we shouldn’t have any delusions we’re doing anything great by taking money from a casinos. Hope that point didn’t pop your bubble that you were on some great moral crusade by taking money from casinos.

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    I personally hate casinos. It's an entire industry that has been built on addiction & exploitation of the suffering of addicts. I could care less for any argument regarding alleged "good" that comes from the evil empire. If the industry was forced to offer FAIR games and not allowed to ban better players than themselves it might be different. Even though I see that Indian casinos help their communities and serve as a form of reparations it doesn't invalidate my point. Casinos in general are ripping people off and capitalizing on sick people's disease. They will allow people to play who are a sip away from alcohol poisoning, too mentally incompetent to comprehend the games themselves, too old and decrepit to pull the lever, or otherwise incapacitated but let an individual BEAT them at their games and they respond like the abusers they are and do everything they can get away with to take revenge. This is a subject I will never tire of attacking and YES I DO feel as if I'm doing a little good by taking away from the great Satan. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    I can tell some of my comments have struck a nerve in you. Sorry about that. The reason I brought this up is to point out the real reason states have legalized casinos (casinos didn’t just pop up on their own). It’s to raise revenue for the State.

    I think I answered your poll question...but I’m not sure since you have so many polls.

    Oh, you are so wrong on this! The main reason casinos exist is because the public wants them. Revenue for governments is a secondary objective. Casinos along with many other forms of entertainment are things the public wants. Will spending a night going out bowling put a loaf of bread on your table? Will spending money for a concert put a loaf of bread on your table? How about spending hundreds of dollars to see an NFL football game? Yeah, it will put a loaf of bread on the table for those who have jobs at these entertainment events, but otherwise you money is spent. Remember, "man shall not live by bread alone." The public wants entertainment venues and that is why they exist.

    By the way, if you can't remember answering the poll, I suggest you go and look at the poll. The choice you picked will be in italics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    The main reason casinos exist is because the public wants them. Revenue for governments is a secondary objective.
    Truth.

    Frankly, I feel like the "government revenue" is/was a straw argument to make gambling more palatable to the teetotalers.

    They are not a fair enterprise. They claim to offer a game of chance, but the minute you figure out how to beat that game of "chance", you are persona non grata. If it was really a fair game of chance, why would you bar the winners? Surely you thought there would be a winner, right?

    But you are 100% correct, casinos exist because people want them to exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Oh, you are so wrong on this! The main reason casinos exist is because the public wants them. Revenue for governments is a secondary objective. Casinos along with many other forms of entertainment are things the public wants. Will spending a night going out bowling put a loaf of bread on your table? Will spending money for a concert put a loaf of bread on your table? How about spending hundreds of dollars to see an NFL football game? Yeah, it will put a loaf of bread on the table for those who have jobs at these entertainment events, but otherwise you money is spent. Remember, "man shall not live by bread alone." The public wants entertainment venues and that is why they exist.
    Midwest Player, you are completely wrong on this topic. Yes, the public enjoys gambling but that is not why they were legalized. Do you think it’s a coincidence that casinos were legalized the same year the Hoover Dam project started? Both happened in 1931. This was after the depression and the govenrment needed a way to raise revenue to build the dam. I don’t know if you’ve seen the Hoover Dam but it’s pretty big and it took a lot of money to build. Do you think no one enjoyed gambling prior to 1931? And that magically everybody all of sudden got an urge to gamble that year?

    There are other reason casinos were restricted to Nevada early in our history, but my point is their main function was to raise revenue for the State. Of course people like to gamble. That has always been the case. Gambling has been in our country since it’s inception (prior to legalization, New Orleans was the hot bed for illegal gambling), but what brought about legalization is a changing moral climate and a need for more revenue for the State. It’s an easy way to raise revenue without imposing more mandatory taxes on its citizens.

    In 1977, New Jersey leaglaized casinos for the same reason. They saw the success Nevada had and wanted to revitalized Altantic City, a depressed city at the time. And they saw it as a way to raise more revenue for the state.

    Each state has followed suit, one by one, legalizing gambling (lotteries and casinos) for this sole reason...to generate revenue for the state without having to increase taxes.

    Heres a a little tip. When politicians raise taxes, they get voted out of office. So they go the voluntary tax route, and legalize lotteries and casinos.

    When you go to a casino, you should really think of them as government voluntary tax centers operated by private business, because at the core that’s what they are. The reason I call them voluntary tax centers is because someone doesn’t go to jail if they don’t want to participate in this program. Our government also has a mandatory tax program (its called the IRS) and if you don’t participate in this one you will go to jail. Lol.

    Please do some research on the internet on this topic and you’ll see I’m right. Again, the main reason casinos have become legalized in our country is to raise revenue for the state. Conservative states, like Texas, still haven’t legalized them (even though their citizens love to gamble) because they know casinos are basically a regressive tax, and can destroy lives.

    As we all know, there are people in our society (the weaker members) who love voluntary tax centers (casinos) and they stay in them until they go bankrupt. It’s great that they enjoy paying all this tax, but it’s not good for society to have a bunch of bankrupt and homeless people around.

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    "As we all know, there are people in our society (the weaker members) who love voluntary tax centers (casinos) and they stay in them until they go bankrupt." Like so many other people who are ignorant you have mistaken an extremely debilitating, destructive, insidious and deadly DISEASE for "weakness". This is the same argument ignorami used to conjure up against alcoholism and drug addiction. Fortunately now days only the ridiculously stupid still do. Addiction is one of the most devastating illnesses facing modern man and to blame the victims is like me blaming my mother for being of such "weak" moral fiber she became a "Lukemiac".

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