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    Casinos prefer to pack 'em in at full tables. It amazes me how bad business it is for the house to not have every available table game open.
    They used to employ shills to drive up action, but in order to cut labor costs they now shut down entire sections.

    It's a psychological / social thing where folks don't want to open a new table, but people who otherwise would walk by & not sit down will do so when seeing someone playing. Similar to how they put high limit slots / table games in cut out alcoves & low traffic out-of-the-way areas. Gamblers prefer to sit in dimly lit sections with a feeling of privacy among a few other persons playing a fast-paced game.

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    Just got back from Vegas, and I was astounded by how many open high minimum tables sat empty while people waited behind packed tables. Many properties had 10/15 or 100, nothing in the middle. So we'd ask for a $25 table.

    Evil Empire: every single time was a no. They'd rather have an empty table. R was especially stupid...literally 6 empty $100 tables and 2 packed $15 tables on the floor.

    ML: mixed. Twice yes, once no. They'd rather have a table generating revenue than an empty table.

    Freemont: one place dropped the 100 to 25 for us.

    It seems some operators realize they are running a business, while others do not.

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    Problem with asking for a lower limit is, being you know it, you're raising your bet to above what was the minimum, and that raises eyebrows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Problem with asking for a lower limit is, being you know it, you're raising your bet to above what was the minimum, and that raises eyebrows.
    A long time ago I asked for a lower limit and bet more off the top. The Floor said she wouldn't grant me a lower limit again, and implied she knew what I was doing. I just said I didn't want to bet lower but I didn't want to sit down and feel like I must leave if I start losing. If I can bet less then I am more comfortable with the thought that I will be able to stay by lowering my bet. If I can't I will walk to the casino next door and see what their minimum is. She said that makes sense. But I never asked her to lower the limit again. I have asked and received table limit exceptions on both the low and high sides of the table limits. I don't recommend trying it though. There are too many ways it can blow up in your face for not much potential help to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Problem with asking for a lower limit is, being you know it, you're raising your bet to above what was the minimum, and that raises eyebrows.
    That can certainly be true. In these situations however, all of the lower limit tables were completely full with people waiting, so it just looked like we were looking for another low limit table. As with much of the AP world, your behavior needs to be appropriate for the situation.

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    A shill is someone that will look at your play and try to determine if you have an advantage. If you suspect a shill joined your table, you need to leave as they will out you. I know, it happened to me. I noticed a guy raised his bet when I did. It went on for a little while and during a shuffle he tried to make small talk with me and mentioning our betting pattern is pretty similar, how long you been counting? I said I have no clue what you're talking about and ignored him. Shortly after he said as he was leaving to stop at the food court, i want to talk. I was leaving the place and went right by the food court, saw him and stopped for a second to ask what he wanted? He made some small talk about playing other games than BJ etc....then the casino manager came up to me and said....Mr X, no more blackjack, OK? I asked why and he said you're to good for us and walked away. I was set up by casino and that prick confirmed I might have skills. Be careful with people you don't know and if you think they are the casino or a shill, leave. No talk, no chit chat, just leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Spiced chilli, beer with deviled eggs - consumed approximately 1 hour prior to commencement of play. Do not mix the aforementioned with dates or prunes. Don’t hold back.

    You will create an aura about you, which will advertise the fact that you want to play alone.
    In my part of the world that combination along with the FBM ASC would be enough for security to ask you to leave although it may be tolerated in the HL room for a while if you were betting big enough.
    Casino Enemy No.1

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    Quote Originally Posted by davethebuilder View Post
    In my part of the world that combination along with the FBM ASC would be enough for security to ask you to leave although it may be tolerated in the HL room for a while if you were betting big enough.
    A bit back, I was playing a min $25 game when this guy sat down. He absolutely stunk. He reeked from the obvious 5 packs of cigarettes a day that he was smoking. I said something rude to him as I changed seats, unable to tolerate the stench. Further, he was wearing a leather jacket, the leather which simply amplifies the disgusting odor he was emanating.

    I forcefully requested he remove his jacket for the reasons previously mentioned. He left after 5 minutes. I wonder if it was because we did not establish a common karma.

    Seriously, bad hygiene, including terrible body odor, is a good reason to ask someone to leave. Further, uts rumoured that I have difficulty saying what’s on my mind.

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