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    Hi opt II ASC strategy SIM question.

    I am using CV data, trying to make a playing strategy for hi opt II ASC. I am having trouble with it. I selected hi opt ii from the included sims. And selecting ASC from the included side counts. When i pressed display tables for the side count strategy, it showed me this table. How do i use it?

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    Multi-Parameter Side Counts

    Multi-Parameter tables are normally used to improve playing efficiency by including the effect of the cards counted as zero. For example, in Hi-Opt II, 8, 9, and ace are counted as zero. The method is quite complex as it involves a side-count in addition to the running count, additional table memorization, and additional calculations. In addition to the normal index tables, you need to memorize a new set of index tables used to make adjustments based on the side count.

    With Casino Vérité, you select the cards that you wish to side count — say eights. (Multiple cards may be side-counted as a group.) The following occurs:

    Ø Calculate the number of excess eights in the remaining cards (may be negative)
    Ø Multiply this number by the index value in the multi-parameter table for the current hand
    Ø Temporarily subtract this from the running count
    Ø Recalculate the true count according to the current strategy's instructions, for playing purposes only

    Example: Suppose you have 9 vs. 2. The deck has two excess eights. The Hi-Opt II MP index for 9v2 with a side count of eights is 2. Multiply that 2 by the 2 excess eights. You now temporarily reduce your running count by 4, making it less likely that you will double. This makes sense since the excess eights make it easier for the dealer to get a 20. This would have been missed by the normal Hi-Opt II count since it ignores eights.

    Hi-Opt I multi-parameter indexes can be found in The World’s Greatest Blackjack Book by Lance Humble and Carl Cooper, and Hi-Opt II multi-parameter indexes can be found in The Hi-Opt II Report by Lance Humble and Julian Braun. The latter report is no longer in print.
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    Great explanation Norm. But I would have used "adjustment" instead of "index" to avoid the possibility of ambiguity in the following quoted sentence. The explanation that followed lessened the chance of ambiguity but the reader may not know anything about side counting.
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    The Hi-Opt II MP index for 9v2 with a side count of eights is 2. Multiply that 2 by the 2 excess eights

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    Multi-Parameter Side Counts

    Multi-Parameter tables are normally used to improve playing efficiency by including the effect of the cards counted as zero. For example, in Hi-Opt II, 8, 9, and ace are counted as zero. The method is quite complex as it involves a side-count in addition to the running count, additional table memorization, and additional calculations. In addition to the normal index tables, you need to memorize a new set of index tables used to make adjustments based on the side count.

    With Casino Vérité, you select the cards that you wish to side count — say eights. (Multiple cards may be side-counted as a group.) The following occurs:

    Ø Calculate the number of excess eights in the remaining cards (may be negative)
    Ø Multiply this number by the index value in the multi-parameter table for the current hand
    Ø Temporarily subtract this from the running count
    Ø Recalculate the true count according to the current strategy's instructions, for playing purposes only

    Example: Suppose you have 9 vs. 2. The deck has two excess eights. The Hi-Opt II MP index for 9v2 with a side count of eights is 2. Multiply that 2 by the 2 excess eights. You now temporarily reduce your running count by 4, making it less likely that you will double. This makes sense since the excess eights make it easier for the dealer to get a 20. This would have been missed by the normal Hi-Opt II count since it ignores eights.

    Hi-Opt I multi-parameter indexes can be found in The World’s Greatest Blackjack Book by Lance Humble and Carl Cooper, and Hi-Opt II multi-parameter indexes can be found in The Hi-Opt II Report by Lance Humble and Julian Braun. The latter report is no longer in print.
    So how can i use CV data to try to generate propee indexes for the ace side count? So in the example above, the ASC 10v10 double is -2. So if there is a surplus of 1 ace, how would we calculate this? If the running count is +4 and there is a surplus one one ace. How do we use this figure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ldubz274 View Post
    So how can i use CV data to try to generate propee indexes for the ace side count?
    You could probably alter the deck and generate these adjustements -- but I don't support this.

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    So in the example above, the ASC 10v10 double is -2. So if there is a surplus of 1 ace, how would we calculate this? If the running count is +4 and there is a surplus one one ace. How do we use this figure?
    Follow the explanation. Or, read Humble's book which is probably more detailed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    You could probably alter the deck and generate these adjustements -- but I don't support this.



    Follow the explanation. Or, read Humble's book which is probably more detailed.
    Humble lacked the current most up to date information. Google FBM ASC to assist you in your endeavours.

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