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    Quote Originally Posted by dogman_1234 View Post
    Blackjack Apprentice offers quarterly "Boot-camps" where prospective AP's learn the art of the trade, allegedly from other competent and skilled AP's.

    Not too bad. However, there is a catch:

    https://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/bootcamp/

    Keep scrolling until you hit the body of the page that list "What's My Investment."

    Holy shit! Really? 3 grand to learn High Low?! In two days?

    Maybe I'm spoiled because I have access to affordable literature that I bough from my local book store plus access to other AP's who are willing to point me in the right direction.

    But, seriously? 3K? I imagine Tarzan's book is cheaper than this and offers a little more in terms of EV (going off Eric Farmers Perfect Play sim data https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...r-optimal-play and Gronbog's sim data of T count https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...l=1#post236595 )

    Why not just get Wong's Professional Blackjack and learn either High Low or Halves? Most likely 100x cheaper.
    The same guy does the private training for $4,999 which seems to be a better deal compared to $3,000 with a group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Zee, did you go to their boot camp?
    Nope, nor am I on that forum (I did join for a year a while back) but it's ridiculous to be simplistic and criticize them for charging $2500 for a boot camp in Las Vegas.

    It's like suggesting that Motel 6 is a better deal than a Hilton. If you can afford it, why not stay at the Hilton?

    Look, not only does one learn a count but all the other BJ stuff, get to meet great AP's plus bond with others attending the boot camp. I wish I had learned while making close friendships with others at the same level. This solo gig is boring and stressful. It would be nice to have contacts in different places. Often, these camps lead to friendships and get togethers between attendees for years after the camp is over.

    Those attacking are simplistic idiots with a need to put down others to feel superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Nope, nor am I on that forum (I did join for a year a while back) but it's ridiculous to be simplistic and criticize them for charging $2500 for a boot camp in Las Vegas.

    It's like suggesting that Motel 6 is a better deal than a Hilton. If you can afford it, why not stay at the Hilton?

    Look, not only does one learn a count but all the other BJ stuff, get to meet great AP's plus bond with others attending the boot camp. I wish I had learned while making close friendships with others at the same level. This solo gig is boring and stressful. It would be nice to have contacts in different places. Often, these camps lead to friendships and get togethers between attendees for years after the camp is over.

    Those attacking are simplistic idiots with a need to put down others to feel superior.
    What they're doing is fine. $3000 is a COMPLETE FUCKING RIP OFF!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShipTheCookies View Post
    What they're doing is fine. $3000 is a COMPLETE FUCKING RIP OFF!!!
    If you have a $5,000 bankroll then this is not for you, on the other hand if your starting roll is $100,000 then maybe.........

    You are missing the whole point of their offering..................but I agree it is expensive.

    I have actually have had multiple players that were taught by BJA and they were all highly competent and good people. So the rate for their education may have been high but the results were exceptional.

    Also, I know of no other person or organization that is producing the number of competent new AP's and I consider that a service to the AP community.
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    I went to their Bootcamp. It paid for itself with the info I learned by networking at it. 3k is a bit much. They used to not charge so much. I think it's a supply and demand thing. They have a decently high demand even with those prices. If someone was willing to pay me 3k to teach them hilo of course I'd do it lol. If no one went the price would be a lot less. Famous people like Tommy Hyland sometimes show up and talk at them too. For someone new to counting who can afford the 3k price tag, it is worth it. They will check out your game and get you thinking like an AP in ways you won't necessarily find in the books. The best bit is the networking imo. Forming friendships with other counters is great in this otherwise lonely endeavour.

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    $3000 to learn Hi-Lo? With Wong's book and about an hour, I'll teach you Hi-Lo for a cup of coffee. Hell, I might as well gouge the fuck out of it also, so not just any ol' cup of coffee, we are talking Starbucks! Regardless of any esteem toward Tommy Hyland, I wouldn't pay $3000 to meet him. Hi-Lo is not all that difficult to learn, and it's easy enough to gather all the tools you need to do it for a lot less than $3000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzan View Post


    and it's easy enough to gather all the tools you need to do it for a lot less than $3000.
    And with that being said, a small add on fee will unlock the secrets of the FBM ASC.

    Tarzan, contact Freightman for franchise information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    It's like suggesting that Motel 6 is a better deal than a Hilton. If you can afford it, why not stay at the Hilton?
    I don't think this is a good comparison. I think a better comparison would be looking at the going rate of $15 for a haircut in town, but then some ass hole wants $100 for the same damn haircut. Yes, it is a rip off. In my opinion, charging $500 for a two day seminar would still be expensive, but tolerable, $3,000 outrageous. The median weekly salary in USA is only a little more than $22 an hour so 16 hours at $22 is only $352 and that assumes one and one instruction. Hell, you don't need any college or degree to teach Hi-Low count. $500 would be plenty for a two day course.
    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t01.htm
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    I don't even know what to say. Don't ever attend a software bootcamp. You can learn it all from a book. They charge way more than 3k.

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    I think the 3 posts before theriferiney’s are the definition of having an education while lacking common sense. If you want to waste an hour and $17, you can meet up with Tarzan so he can tell you, “These cards are +1, these are -1, and those are 0. Here’s a basic strategy chart and here are the indices you should learn. True count is the running count divided by number of remaining decks. Aren’t you glad you saved $2,983? Lesson’s over.”
    "Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]

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