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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzan View Post


    and it's easy enough to gather all the tools you need to do it for a lot less than $3000.
    And with that being said, a small add on fee will unlock the secrets of the FBM ASC.

    Tarzan, contact Freightman for franchise information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    It's like suggesting that Motel 6 is a better deal than a Hilton. If you can afford it, why not stay at the Hilton?
    I don't think this is a good comparison. I think a better comparison would be looking at the going rate of $15 for a haircut in town, but then some ass hole wants $100 for the same damn haircut. Yes, it is a rip off. In my opinion, charging $500 for a two day seminar would still be expensive, but tolerable, $3,000 outrageous. The median weekly salary in USA is only a little more than $22 an hour so 16 hours at $22 is only $352 and that assumes one and one instruction. Hell, you don't need any college or degree to teach Hi-Low count. $500 would be plenty for a two day course.
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    I don't even know what to say. Don't ever attend a software bootcamp. You can learn it all from a book. They charge way more than 3k.

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    I think the 3 posts before theriferiney’s are the definition of having an education while lacking common sense. If you want to waste an hour and $17, you can meet up with Tarzan so he can tell you, “These cards are +1, these are -1, and those are 0. Here’s a basic strategy chart and here are the indices you should learn. True count is the running count divided by number of remaining decks. Aren’t you glad you saved $2,983? Lesson’s over.”
    "Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    I think the 3 posts before theriferiney’s are the definition of having an education while lacking common sense. If you want to waste an hour and $17, you can meet up with Tarzan so he can tell you, “These cards are +1, these are -1, and those are 0. Here’s a basic strategy chart and here are the indices you should learn. True count is the running count divided by number of remaining decks. Aren’t you glad you saved $2,983? Lesson’s over.”
    Except, some could argue that's exactly what is what is going on. You are "wasting" 2 days and 3 grand on something that you could do for cheaper.

    Utility of your money should be accounted for as well. If you have a 10 K bank, maybe skip the camp and learn at your own pace. If you have over 10 K, say 30-50 K, then consider the extra utility the service will offer. Whatever that utility is!

    I can't speak for everyone here. As for me, with a small bank, I developed an appreciation to those who went above and beyond to explain concepts and maths associated with the game of 21. In my years on the forum, reading ToBJ, different count system books, BJA, and talking with software gurus, I gained a lot of knowledge about the game. Those who took me under their wing, braced my stupid questions, handled my bullshit, and pointed me in the right direction so I succeed, I owe a great debt to. Much of them here on this forum.

    The cost associated with all of this is most likely less than that of the boot-camp. The camp spans only two days. Forum participations (consider it what you will) and communication with other AP's has been years with feedback and with explanations of different ideas.

    Personally, the money and time I spent the way I approached AP'ing 21 is probably better than what the camp could offer me. That's just me.

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    All I have to say is there is a lot more to being successful in a casino than just learning to count cards. If you never learn the other 75% of being successful in an actual casino, your free education isn't worth much. If the $3K teaches you these things in addition to being able to count, it is not wasted money. I have no idea one way or the other. I always found it better to teach people to count first and then teach them to maximize the ability to make money with that knowledge in a casino second. But if they can do it all in one shot, more power to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post

    All I have to say is there is a lot more to being successful in a casino than just learning to count cards.
    Like heat

    You gotta know when to stare them
    Know when to toke them, know when to run.
    You never count your money, when your sitting at the table..........

    https://youtu.be/gDwCMxPwJ_4

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogman_1234 View Post
    Except, some could argue that's exactly what is what is going on. You are "wasting" 2 days and 3 grand on something that you could do for cheaper.

    Utility of your money should be accounted for as well. If you have a 10 K bank, maybe skip the camp and learn at your own pace. If you have over 10 K, say 30-50 K, then consider the extra utility the service will offer. Whatever that utility is!

    I can't speak for everyone here. As for me, with a small bank, I developed an appreciation to those who went above and beyond to explain concepts and maths associated with the game of 21. In my years on the forum, reading ToBJ, different count system books, BJA, and talking with software gurus, I gained a lot of knowledge about the game. Those who took me under their wing, braced my stupid questions, handled my bullshit, and pointed me in the right direction so I succeed, I owe a great debt to. Much of them here on this forum.

    The cost associated with all of this is most likely less than that of the boot-camp. The camp spans only two days. Forum participations (consider it what you will) and communication with other AP's has been years with feedback and with explanations of different ideas.

    Personally, the money and time I spent the way I approached AP'ing 21 is probably better than what the camp could offer me. That's just me.
    Of course it depends on the person's individual needs. But I think that kinda goes without saying. Obviously the guy with a $5k roll isn't going to get the best bang for his buck in this scenario because he would almost certainly be better off to learn on his own through books, forums, etc., over the course of say 6 months, than to go to the bootcamp. But no one needed to say that.

    It seems like people are underestimating the whole "You don't know what you don't know" thing.
    "Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    I don't even know what to say. Don't ever attend a software bootcamp. You can learn it all from a book. They charge way more than 3k.
    I have attended "excel" software instruction seminars paid for by the company I worked for. I can assure you the cost was not $3,000 per person. I also attended a time use management seminar. The cost for that was in the $200 to $300 range, but this was years ago.

    Here is what the cost is for some seminars are in the U.P. of MI. I stand by my opinion that $500 would be plenty for a two day seminar.
    https://www.findaseminar.com/tbs.asp...city=MARQUETTE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    I have attended "excel" software instruction seminars paid for by the company I worked for. I can assure you the cost was not $3,000 per person. I also attended a time use management seminar. The cost for that was in the $200 to $300 range, but this was years ago.

    Here is what the cost for is for some seminars are in the U.P. of MI. I stand by my opinion that $500 would be plenty for a two day seminar.
    https://www.findaseminar.com/tbs.asp...city=MARQUETTE
    You’re right, and you’re wrong. Your right as it pertains to business type seminars. I’ve seen them go up to 1500. When what is perceived as a fast buck is involved, pricing tends to become inflated - that is the potential issue here.

    Having said that, any business needs to define it’s market, including its potential and charge a fee that recovers expenses, pays expenses, including wages, and produce a profit.

    Ultimately, the market decides weather or not a business will be successful.

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    I believe years ago Don S taught blackjack seminars for Jerry Patterson. I wonder how the costs for those seminars adjusted for inflation compare to the cost of these seminars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    I believe years ago Don S taught blackjack seminars for Jerry Patterson. I wonder how the costs for those seminars adjusted for inflation compare to the cost of these seminars.
    We didn't do "seminars"; it was a five-week class, three hours once a week, for five sessions. Total of 15 hours of instruction for ... $495. :-) It was also 35 years ago, so don't know what inflation might have done to that price.

    Don

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    Those of us who learned without their bootcamp must be smarter than they are......!!!????

    Or maybe we both learned and the knowledge was valuable for both but at differing prices...?????

    I had a mentor and I can ablsolutely state that the knowledge he provided was worth way more thatn 3k.

    Presuming it is $3,000 to just learn hilo is displaying your ignorance and arrogance.

    It may not be a bargin, but it does produce a quality product.
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