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    Quote Originally Posted by ShipTheCookies View Post
    It's a complete rip off!! Don't buy into their bullshit.
    I know the guys at BJA and while I would agree their pricing is very aggressive it is not a "total ripoff". It is not just learning HiLo, it is learning how to be an AP that is important. I have never been to any of their sessions but I am pretty sure Tommy Hyland (who has participated on multiple occasions) is not there supporting a rip off.

    They are many collateral benefits to their offerings that serve a fledgling AP well.

    Bitch about the price, but unless you have first hand experience about their offerings suggest you reconsider the rhetoric.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    FWIW, I've never been to a bootcamp and don't really have any "inside" info on how they work or what have you.

    Sure you can buy a few books for $100 or whatever, but there is absolutely no way you can tell me reading a few books is worth anywhere near the same as talking to and learning from a group of experienced APs. That's just silly.

    I have no idea what the cost is to run it, but it sure as hell ain't free. The people running it gotta make it worth it for themselves, too. Do you also go to a restaurant, order a $50 steak and say "OMG! I could have bought a steak at the grocery store and cooked it in my kitchen for $11! The owner of the restaurant just made $39 off of me!" ?


    Do I think $3,000 for a weekend bootcamp is a fair price? I really don't know, but I certainly don't think it's a mega rip off.
    +1 RS. A lot of spoiled brats in here. I have no association with BJA:

    In my professional career, I taught classes that cost well in excess of $3,000 per attendee. The class was for software that was built by a company I was an early employee of and I had years of practical knowledge by implementing said software at major companies and the intelligence community.

    Sure, they could read the manual and dick around with the software and perhaps learn what they needed. Or, they could jump start the whole thing and get real lessons straight from the horses mouth (me, I'm the horse). During the class they might say things like "the manual says you can do X", and I would say "yes, it says that, but don't do that and here's why."

    That's how it works in real life outside of the AP community. Whether it's through a bootcamp or not, we all pay for our AP education one way or another.

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    OP, you're MUCH BETTER off spending $3000 on Grosjeans book and learning those games and strategies.

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    We talk about "Advantage Prayers" here!
    Holy shit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShipTheCookies View Post
    OP, you're MUCH BETTER off spending $3000 on Grosjeans book and learning those games and strategies.
    You're not far off but good luck spotting your first hc without someone helping you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    You're not far off but good luck spotting your first hc without someone helping you.
    Curious. Are the AP plays offered in ECAA still relevant today? That is, can you still find such +EV plays in today's casinos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    +1 RS. A lot of spoiled brats in here. I have no association with BJA:

    In my professional career, I taught classes that cost well in excess of $3,000 per attendee. The class was for software that was built by a company I was an early employee of and I had years of practical knowledge by implementing said software at major companies and the intelligence community.

    Sure, they could read the manual and dick around with the software and perhaps learn what they needed. Or, they could jump start the whole thing and get real lessons straight from the horses mouth (me, I'm the horse). During the class they might say things like "the manual says you can do X", and I would say "yes, it says that, but don't do that and here's why."

    That's how it works in real life outside of the AP community. Whether it's through a bootcamp or not, we all pay for our AP education one way or another.
    Not with Hi-lo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogman_1234 View Post
    Curious. Are the AP plays offered in ECAA still relevant today? That is, can you still find such +EV plays in today's casinos?
    Why not ? North Cyprus +/- 20 casino. Rebate 10-30% any game. Roulette, card game and slots.
    "Don't Cast Your Pearls Before Swine" (Jesus)

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    Whew, attack anybody who dares to go elsewhere for becoming an AP. The conceit is beyond belief. What you get by going to the boot camp is not just a 2 day workshop. You get continuous support, you get a network, and you get a forum of really polite posters who do not attack anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Whew, attack anybody who dares to go elsewhere for becoming an AP. The conceit is beyond belief. What you get by going to the boot camp is not just a 2 day workshop. You get continuous support, you get a network, and you get a forum of really polite posters who do not attack anyone.
    Zee, did you go to their boot camp?

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