Adding AA78mTc side count to High Low

[Freightman]

What is the FBM ASC? Are you talking about the patented Freightman Ball Method Ace Side Count?

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[Jack Jackson]

I Actually use a "Hybrid-Count" system (in-practice) that believe it or not is very practical...The reason is, is because the main count(2-A) 2223210-1-2-3 has a very high BC of .9937

However, Naturally and Respectively the PE and IC are very very low in the main count.. To compensate for this and to bring your PE up to . 676+ and IC up to .90+ i keep a n additional side-count of Aces and Faces(A+4/X-1) that when "added" together takes the primary 12 point count and transforms it into a 13 point count that looks like this (A-X) 12223210-1-3..

For example BlackJacks are counted as -5 in the primary and +3 for the secondary..

Example 2: A Pair of Xs are -4 in the primary and -2 in the secondary...

The Net result is you now have a BC of .9937+ a PE. of 676+ and a IC of .90+

I should also mention that you realistically would only want to use the Primary count by itself for Multiple deck games only and ONLY use the Secondary count for single and DD games-IF SO one desires..

I also want to mention that the Primary 12-point count is very easy to use by itself because of the cancelation effects that it has... For example,12,13,14,and 16 always cancel each-other out..

Last but not least its important to know that the Primary Count is used for betting, splitting and doubling Hard 7-10...The Secondary count (when added together) is used for stiffs and all other hands-and of course insurance..My Guess is, and i KNOW im very close in assuming that this WOULD put your PE at at or around .70% when used correctly..

Unfortunately i never had the knowledge how to run a sim for this type of count..But it would be nice to see...

[bjanalyst]

This is a good question. Nobody uses Hiopt2 without some kind of ace side count. Next you will say your bike is faster than a sportswear with no wheels. It may be true but it has no relevance.

I asked for all four sims: HL no side count, HO2 no side count, HL with AA78mTc, HO2 with ASC. I never said to use the HO2 without ASC if that is what you want to do. I am using all of these four counts as a base to see where HL with AA78mTc falls. How much better than HL or HO2 with no side count is HL with AA78mTc. And how does HL with AA78mTc compare to HO2 with ASC. I just want to compare all four counts that is all.

[bjanalyst]

Here is why AA78mTc is easy to keep with the HL. First there are only four ranks to count in thhe AA78mTc, the Ace, 7, 8 and Ten, counting all of the Tens as one rank since they are the same and all have a tag value of -1 which is te same tag value of the Tens in the HL. Also the 7 and 8 are not included in the HL so it is easy to count a rank that was not already counted. Finally the Ace is counted as +2. But updating the AA78mTc is easy as there are tons of cancelations. My suggestion was to update the HL count as soon as the cards hit the table. Then after all players have been dealt their cards, calculate AA78mTs (s = seen during current round -has lot of cancellations) from the cards on the table and add that to AA78mTc from the previous round to get an updated AA78mTc. Then as cards are continued to be dealt as each player makes his playing decision and the dealer completes his hand, update the AA78mTc. It is really very easy to do. I told you Carla mastered both the KO and AA89mTc in less than two weeks and keeps both counts in her head. It is NOT difficult and does not take much effort at all to do.

PS; Carla never, ever complained that keeping the AA89mTc with the KO was difficult. She learned it right away and as I said multiple times she keeps both counts in her head playing for hours at a time without exhaustion and without errors. I simply cannot understand why I keep on getting complaints that keeping the AA78mTc is difficult to do.

[bjanalyst]

It's not just that: It's keeping two counts with very little gain in expectation! It's like using Gordon with all 5 side counts at an 8D game! Okay, maybe an exaggeration...however; the point is that such is needless complexity to an already winning system.

Again, my prediction is that after simulations are done, HL with AA78mTc should be close to the HO2 with ASC. And HL with AA78mTc is much easier to keep and use than HO2 with ASC. Let's wait until the simulations are done next year.

And please stop saying it is complex. If Carla can learn both the KO and AA89mTc in less than two weeks and she had no counting experience before I meet her and taught her, why are so many users saying this is difficult to use the AA78mTc.

And if LL is offered, then keeping the AA89mTc with the KO is absolutely worthwhile even if it were only used for the LL bet.

[seriousplayer]

Here is why AA78mTc is easy to keep with the HL. First there are only four ranks to count in thhe AA78mTc, the Ace, 7, 8 and Ten, counting all of the Tens as one rank since they are the same and all have a tag value of -1 which is te same tag value of the Tens in the HL. Also the 7 and 8 are not included in the HL so it is easy to count a rank that was not already counted. Finally the Ace is counted as +2. But updating the AA78mTc is easy as there are tons of cancelations. My suggestion was to update the HL count as soon as the cards hit the table. Then after all players have been dealt their cards, calculate AA78mTs (s = seen during current round -has lot of cancellations) from the cards on the table and add that to AA78mTc from the previous round to get an updated AA78mTc. Then as cards are continued to be dealt as each player makes his playing decision and the dealer completes his hand, update the AA78mTc. It is really very easy to do. I told you Carla mastered both the KO and AA89mTc in less than two weeks and keeps both counts in her head. It is NOT difficult and does not take much effort at all to do.

You got to stop writing the same post over and over and over and over again. Stop making up fairytales of Carla. I am suspecting that Carla does not exist. Why don't you tell Carla to join the forum and let her give the testimony.

Again, my prediction is that after simulations are done, HL with AA78mTc should be close to the HO2 with ASC. And HL with AA78mTc is much easier to keep and use than HO2 with ASC. Let's wait until the simulations are done next year.

Another irrelevant and inappropriate post. Stop spamming this forum.

I keep on writing the AA78mTc is easy because users keep on writing that it is difficult to keep and use and it is not despite the fact that I explained MANY time and with illustrations so my explanations are very clear how easy it is to keep the AA78mTc and how to use it. And other users keep on bashing the HL with AA78mTc as a useless count. I am starting to get annoyed.

Look I don't care. I am pretty sure other people is annoyed, too.

[bjanalyst]

And you have to stop saying the AA78mTc is difficult to keep, useless and difficult to use. And what is irrelevant and inappropriate is your constant criticism of HL with AA78mTc before simulations have been done and especially calling me a liar and fairy tales about my experience with the KO with AA89mTc and Carla.

You need to stop spamming over and over again that HL with AA78mTc is useless, ineffective, difficult to keep and difficult to use and implying that I am lying about Carla and my experiences with the KO with AA89mTc. I do not lie. And you need to wait for simulations.

And I am not making up Carla or my experience with the KO with AA89mTc. If you want to bash my system that is one thing. But to accuse me of making up stories of my experience playing the S17, DAS, LS six deck, five deck dealt game with LL and back counting with Carla is insulting. You doubt my system then fine. That can be proven through simulations. But please do not accuse me of making up stories about my experience using the KO with AA89mTc.

So all I can say, as I said multipe times, PLEASE HOLD OFF ANY MORE CRTICISMS UNTIL AFTER SIMULATOINS ARE DONE.

[Freightman]

With 73 posts by OP since joininin the forum on December 19, All in this thread - I’m begining to suspect OCD.

[bjanalyst]

OK NO MORE POST THEN UNTIL AFTER SIMULATOINS ARE DONE.

I reply because the posts are not only attacking my system but are attacking me personally. I am personally being attacked, called a charlatan, called a liar about my experiences and Carla, my system bashed, I am accused of pedaling worthless systems which systems are called hard to use and ineffective not just once but time and time again. I am accused of making up fairy tales, trolling, spamming and all of this non stop and the users do not even have the courtesy to wait for simulation results. I am being attacked and I do not like it!! That is totally unprofessional and against the terms of use of this forum. We are all suppose to respect each other.

[Three]

It's not just that: It's keeping two counts with very little gain in expectation! It's like using Gordon with all 5 side counts at an 8D game! Okay, maybe an exaggeration...however; the point is that such is needless complexity to an already winning system.

Well I think we shouldn't be so certain about its value until sims prove him wrong.

[Three]

A lot of that looks familiar but I guess you probably know that. Nice job. It's a lot like what I do but also a lot different.

Last but not least its important to know that the Primary Count is used for betting, splitting and doubling Hard 7-10...The Secondary count (when added together) is used for stiffs and all other hands-and of course insurance..My Guess is, and i KNOW im very close in assuming that this WOULD put your PE at at or around .70% when used correctly..

No reason to use a PE ceiling of .70 with a non-traditional count like yours. Your PE could be higher. PE .70 is the ceiling for traditional count approaches. If you are practiced enough that it is easy and you are fast I don't know why you wouldn't use it in shoe games. It is like playing 3 or 4 DD shuffles in a row. I am sure you don't think you are making mistakes there. You don't have to answer. I know what you will say. So the question is rhetorical. It is like you ate saying insurance and other plays shouldn't be worried about in shoe play. But I never used anything but ace neutral counts in shoe games so to me I side counting a shoe is the baseline for what is easy. I know your betting doesn't rely on the side count, and many people that play for big stakes don't worry much about index plays in shoe games for a variety of reasons.

[Jack Jackson]

A lot of that looks familiar but I guess you probably know that. Nice job. It's a lot like what I do but also a lot different.

No reason to use a PE ceiling of .70 with a non-traditional count like yours. Your PE could be higher. PE .70 is the ceiling for traditional count approaches. If you are practiced enough that it is easy and you are fast I don't know why you wouldn't use it in shoe games. It is like playing 3 or 4 DD shuffles in a row. I am sure you don't think you are making mistakes there. You don't have to answer. I know what you will say. So the question is rhetorical. It is like you ate saying insurance and other plays shouldn't be worried about in shoe play. But I never used anything but ace neutral counts in shoe games so to me I side counting a shoe is the baseline for what is easy. I know your betting doesn't rely on the side count, and many people that play for big stakes don't worry much about index plays in shoe games for a variety of reasons.

Thanks 3,

I find the best thing is, is the option of whether you want to use it or not..And though i havent used it in actual casino play yet im confident that i would do well with it in pitch games..Lighting fast dealers in MD games may present a bit of a challenge until i get a few more hours logged in.. I started using this a few months back after mastering my Level 3 2233210-1-3 Ace SC system.. In Practice" i won 300 MaxBets in three months play on a -.37 75% 300 hands an hour/4hr day/DD game.. Again this was in practice...So dont even ask why im switching systems again lol cause i really dont know.. I suppose im looking for something for a little stronger or challenging i just dont know.. I feel i want to play the strongest game possible when i do go back to hitting the Casinos..

So back to the hybrid count.. I really like it and enjoy playing it...And something about it, just feels like the perfect count system even though i havent tested how well i do with it against the computer program i use-i do have plans too..Im still using CV data "index generator" to tell me which of the two systems is more effecient for some paticular hands in question so i can use just ONE playing strategy...And unless im mistaken the smaller/lower the index the better playing effeciency it has...For example, an index that is +6 for the 13 point system(for splitting xxs) is smaller(more efficient) than +6 would be for splitting xxs in the 12 point count system would be..So this tells i would use the 13 point count index, right?...Unfortunately i dont kno if im correct in assuming this )

[lij45o6]

Well I think we shouldn't be so certain about its value until sims prove him wrong.

Okay, and? A sim has been commissioned.

We will see that the OP's claim that his system performs equal to that of HO2 w/ASC is either valid of invalid. I already have an idea how it's going to go. I trust Gronbog on the results.

2019 is going to be interesting...hasn’t even started!