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    Update: There was a configuration error in one of the sims which caused a grossly anomalous result. It was resolved with help from bjanalyst. Along the way minor errors in the configuration of a couple of indices were also discovered and corrected. The sims have been restarted. I should have the results consolidated sometime this weekend.

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    I am going out on a limb here and will repeat my prediction that I made in many earlier threads.

    There will be five sims: HL with no changes sim, three HL with AA78mTc sims and a HO2 with ASC sim.
    The simulations are all six decks, five decks dealt, DAS, S17 and no LS.

    The three HL with AA78mTc sims are (1) 6 of the I18 (2) 6 more of the I18 and (3) 14 more changes, all using HL + k*(AA78mTc). The HL is used for betting and all other strategy changes not specifically changed with AA78mTc.

    By the way AA78mTc means Ace, Ace, Seven Eight Minus Ten Count - the m = minus and c = count. I did not define my acronyms earlier.

    So my prediction is that the sim results of HL + k*(AA78mTc) with changes to 12 of the I18 and 14 more situations will be close to Hi Opt 2 with ASC which is also being simulated.

    Another benefit of AA78mTc with HL is that it changes 12 of the I18 and can give the player excellent camouflage where the player looks like he is making a mistake when he is actually making the correct play. Casinos use the I18 to catch counters. But when AA78mTc is used with HL there are "strange" plays if just the HL is considered. I mentioned some of these plays in earlier posts where there are values of HL + k*(AA78mTc) where you would be taking insurance when HL = 0 or not taking insurance when HL = 6*dr with a large bet out or hitting hard 12 v 6 when HL = 2*dr and many more "strange" plays being possible which would look like mistakes if just the HL is used but are actually correct with AA78mTc is used with HL.

    By the way, my 4th book. High Low with Plus Minus Side counts, is now available on Xlibris for $3.99 for online version. If you are interested, download PDF version since EPUB and MOBI may have lower resolution.

    https://www.xlibris.com/Bookstore/Bo...arch=bjanalyst
    Last edited by bjanalyst; 01-19-2019 at 10:07 AM.

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    I asked Gronbog to do one more simulation before posting results. Attached are some files I would like you to review.

    Using AA78mTc with the first six I18 changes, insurance and hit/stand hard 12 v 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 improved HL about one half of the way to HO2 with ASC. The other six I18 did further improvement but only marginally and the 14 more additional changes also added additional improvement but again only marginally. The result was AA78mTc did improve HL to around one half of the improvement that HO2 with ASC would.

    I based my original assumption that HL with AA78mTc would be close to the HO2 with ASC based on the I18 average CC of HL with AA78mTc being actually a bit higher than HO2 with ASC average CC (see the attached I18 file with HL and AA78mTc compared to HO2 with ASC). But it turns out that if a count has a higher average CC it does not necessarily mean that the sim results of that count will be higher.

    So my goal is to concentrate on continuing to improve the CC of as many I18 situation as possible as adding additional improvements beyond the I18 has minimal effects and can be looked at another time after I get the bulk of the improvement done.

    So what I asked Gronbog if he could do one more simulation by adding a second side count, 5m6c, to HL with AA78mTc. The reason I chose 5m6c is that if helps with hard 16 v T hit/stand decision (the most important decision after insurance), many other decisions and also helps with betting.

    Gronbog did not use LS. So using EoR without NO LS (also included as an attached file) and DAS, S17, it turns out that HO - 2*(Adef) has a higher BC (Betting Correlation).

    Betting Correlation (BC) for S17, DAS, no LS
    HO2 –2*(Adef) 98.45%
    HL +(1/3)*(5m6c) 97.38%
    HL 96.48%

    By adding (1/3)*(5m6c) to HL to get brc = HL + (1/3)*(5m6c) the HL BC(Betting Correlation) is increased around 1% which puts it closer to HO2 – 2*(Adef) but is still1% below HO2 – 2*(Adef).

    So adding 5m6c not only helps with hard 16 v T and many other I18 situations, it also helps with betting which is another reason that HO2 with ASC beat HL with AA78mTc as AA78mTc did not add anything to HL betting correlation.

    As an aside, one user asked me why my KO BC was 96.5% and his program had 97+%. I told him that I was using S17, DAS, LS and BC depend on the rules which change the EoR which is what BC is used against. When S17, DAS, no LS is used for KO the BC is over 97% which agrees with that that user showed me. His program must have used NO Late Surrender when calculating KO betting efficiency. The BC charts for S17, DAS, no LS (which is what Gronbog simulated) are included in the attached files.

    So if Gronbog can do this last sim adding 5m6c to help with betting and for the five strategy changes I outlined in my attached files, I think you will see that finally HL with AA78mTc and 5m6c should approach HO2 with ASC - I am not going to say that HL with AA78mTc and 5m6c will surpass HO2 with ASC as I got burnt before saying that HL with AA78mTc would surpass HO2 with ASC. Note that I asked Gronbog to include hit/stand hard 16 v 7 and hard 16 v 8 in addition to the I18 changes when 5m6c is added to HL with AA78mTc. I asked to included these two extra changes, even though they are outside of the I18, because 5m6c helps a lot with these changes and theses hit/stand hard 16 v 7 and hard 16 v 8 does occur frequently.

    I have a total of eight attachments. Only 5 attachments are allowed per post. So I am attaching 5 file here and the last 3 on the next post.

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    Here are the last three attachments to my previous post.

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    "But it turns out that if a count has a higher average CC it does not necessarily mean that the sim results of that count will be higher."

    No, really?? Shocker!!

    Don


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    Bjanalyst posts like we are all waiting for the results...yawn...
    And now you think the average card counter can easily keep the main count and TWO SIDECOUNTS?? Get the heck out of here with your nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Bjanalyst posts like we are all waiting for the results...yawn...
    And now you think the average card counter can easily keep the main count and TWO SIDECOUNTS?? Get the heck out of here with your nonsense.
    Clearly, OP is eccentric. Further, many, including myself, have been a bit flippant, but a couple of points are evident. OP believes in this stuff, and with reference to other posts in the thread by people that know him, he’s not stupid. The sims that Gronbog is doing clearly cater to a rule set that the OP plays.

    This stuff is not the cup of tea for most, but it is for some, and your comments go beyond flippant and well into the realm of rude.

    Now, as for flippant, only 18 more posts to 350.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Clearly, OP is eccentric. Further, many, including myself, have been a bit flippant, but a couple of points are evident. OP believes in this stuff, and with reference to other posts in the thread by people that know him, he’s not stupid. The sims that Gronbog is doing clearly cater to a rule set that the OP plays.

    This stuff is not the cup of tea for most, but it is for some, and your comments go beyond flippant and well into the realm of rude.

    Now, as for flippant, only 18 more posts to 350.
    bjanaylst, is a type of person that you have to hit in the head to get your point across.

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    So the comparisons we are waiting for are that the betting correlation of three systems are in 96% to 98.5% range. Does it matter If I remember it right, all counting systems have very high BC. We wants to know the SCORE comparisons among the three systems under PA rule (S17, DOA, DAS, split up to 3 hands) and 84% penetration(5D/6D). We can live with no Late Surrender. How does your AA78mTc with HL, AA78mTc+5m6c with HL compare to HO2+ASC?

    We want SCORE of all three systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    bjanaylst, is a type of person that you have to hit in the head to get your point across.
    Maybe your right, he is eccentric. But who knows, maybe he has ADD, maybe on the autistic spectrum. I know people that display both traits that I’ve mentioned, and who further match your description. He’s still entitled.

    I’ve said several times that I have ADD (which Ive turned into a gift). People may have noticed that I display stubbornness, lack of patience, and I like to feed the rumour mill. Maybe it’s contributed to a very high IQ - who knows.

    There is more than 1 poster on this site that display very very high intelligence, and whom almost certainly are outside the “normal” range” - after all, what’s normal.

    I can be flippant at the drop of a pin, but rude only when necessary, which reminds me - only 15 more posts to 350.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Maybe your right, he is eccentric. But who knows, maybe he has ADD, maybe on the autistic spectrum. I know people that display both traits that I’ve mentioned, and who further match your description. He’s still entitled.

    I’ve said several times that I have ADD (which Ive turned into a gift). People may have noticed that I display stubbornness, lack of patience, and I like to feed the rumour mill. Maybe it’s contributed to a very high IQ - who knows.

    There is more than 1 poster on this site that display very very high intelligence, and whom almost certainly are outside the “normal” range” - after all, what’s normal.

    I can be flippant at the drop of a pin, but rude only when necessary, which reminds me - only 15 more posts to 350.
    He is sarcastically eccentric which is not good! Someone don't have to be an idiot to be considered eccentric but bjanalyst is being just that. There are people that are eccentric but in a good way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    He is sarcastically eccentric which is not good! Someone don't have to be an idiot to be considered eccentric but bjanalyst is being just that. There are people that are eccentric but in a good way.
    Please explain to me how he’s being an idiot, anD sarcastingly eccentric. I’ll def8nitely buy single minded focus with a weird system on the brain.

    That doesn’t translate to an asshole or an idiot - in fact, a person doesn’t need to be an idiot to be an asshole - The Dipshit would match that criteria.

    So, with only 14 more posts to 350, I would invite Gronbog to run sims on the regaled FBM ASC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjanalyst View Post
    I taught my friend Carla the KO with AA89mTc. Carla has no special gifts and is just of average intelligence so if she can do it so can anyone else who is motivated. Carla is not that smart at all but Carla is very motivated to make money so she eastly keeps both KO and AA89mTc and I have checked her multiple tmes and she keeps both counts very well with almost no errors. Any discrepancies between the counts Carla keeps and what I keep, when we are both counting the same table, are differences of one running count point and usually no differences at all - we usually agree exactly. So keeping both counts is very, very, very easy.

    Carla keeps both counts in her head and does not have any problem - they are just two integers to keep in your head. You can also use chips to keep AA89mTc if necessary and in the shoe game there is plenty of time to update the AA89mTc and plenty of cancelations. So it is not that hard to use. The theory I can understand others having problems following but not the actual use in the casino which is very, very easy.
    I wonder if Carla went to MIT?

    Quote Originally Posted by bjanalyst View Post
    I explained in a previous post that I taught my friend Carla how to keep KO count and the AA89mTc. Carla is not very bright at all and she can keep both counts flawlessly. Carla might not be bright but she is motivate to make money! She easily and tirelessly for hours on end keeps two integers in her head, the KO and AA89mTc and she does not make mistakes because I have checked her many times and she was right on. It is VERY easy to do. The AA89mTc when added to the KO also give a perfect Ten count which can be used for the Lucky Ladies bet, insurance, and hit stand hard 12 v 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.

    Carla knew nothing about counting when I meet her and I taught her both the KO and the AA89mTc and she was proficient at both in a matter of a few weeks! It is that easy. It is also extremely powerful (high CC with EoR) and very accurate (give very accurate true counts at true counts of 3 or greater).

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