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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Someone said the same thing when people were discussing their Volkswagon and Audi cars. It's from discussion that a consensus builds and a plan formulates to go to the trouble of investigating stuff. If a thread does not appeal to you, ignore it.
    It's Volkswagen not Volkswagon...and I will ignore it from now on and I'll keep your advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferenc11 View Post
    It's Volkswagen not Volkswagon...and I will ignore it from now on and I'll keep your advice.

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    No offense intended. Some threads appeal to us, others dont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    No offense intended. Some threads appeal to us, others dont.
    None taken. But for this reason I aim my game at shoe games.

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    I actually work in a casino as a dealer... I know for a fact ASM can read cards. One time a card fell on the ground and nobody noticed. I loaded the 6 decks into the ASM and it started to shuffle. 1 minute later the red light came on and it said "missing 8 of diamonds" we have established it can read cards. Now on to the next part. The ASM for single deck carnival games like three card poker can actually sort cards. After the table closes we switch it to sorting mode and have it sort the cards in order from A-K to be packaged and hole punched and given to customers. Also when a straight flush is hit, the manager will go to the machine to check if it was actually dealt. Now, back to blackjack ASM. As far as i know, it cannot sort cards, as we always have to do it by ourselves when the table closes. But it is able to read them. So that already is evidence to show that it could be possible..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Someone said the same thing when people were discussing their Volkswagon and Audi cars. It's from discussion that a consensus builds and a plan formulates to go to the trouble of investigating stuff. If a thread does not appeal to you, ignore it.
    Zee, I don’t know how much you know about the Volkswagen situation, but technically they did nothing illegal. Most people are surprised when I tell them that. There has been several articles written on this. First, there is a long history of car manufactures making their engines so they can pass our government’s emission tests. This is nothing new. Why people have a problem with Volkswagen is because they took it a step beyond what is normally considered acceptable. If you spent any time researching this you could see how something like this could happen in a large bureaucratic company like Volkswagen.

    The real problem is how our government came up with their emission test. Several experts have commented on this, and I’ve read somewhere our government is looking at changing how this test is done.

    What people are claiming here with the ASM is different. They’re claiming the companies making ASMs have made them so they can cheat and casinos are programming them so they can cheat. That’s a ridiculous claim. Trying to draw a parallel to the Volkswagen situation is not an apples to apples comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ldubz274 View Post
    I actually work in a casino as a dealer... I know for a fact ASM can read cards. One time a card fell on the ground and nobody noticed. I loaded the 6 decks into the ASM and it started to shuffle. 1 minute later the red light came on and it said "missing 8 of diamonds" we have established it can read cards. Now on to the next part. The ASM for single deck carnival games like three card poker can actually sort cards. After the table closes we switch it to sorting mode and have it sort the cards in order from A-K to be packaged and hole punched and given to customers. Also when a straight flush is hit, the manager will go to the machine to check if it was actually dealt. Now, back to blackjack ASM. As far as i know, it cannot sort cards, as we always have to do it by ourselves when the table closes. But it is able to read them. So that already is evidence to show that it could be possible..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ldubz274 View Post
    I actually work in a casino as a dealer... I know for a fact ASM can read cards. One time a card fell on the ground and nobody noticed. I loaded the 6 decks into the ASM and it started to shuffle. 1 minute later the red light came on and it said "missing 8 of diamonds" we have established it can read cards. Now on to the next part. The ASM for single deck carnival games like three card poker can actually sort cards. After the table closes we switch it to sorting mode and have it sort the cards in order from A-K to be packaged and hole punched and given to customers. Also when a straight flush is hit, the manager will go to the machine to check if it was actually dealt. Now, back to blackjack ASM. As far as i know, it cannot sort cards, as we always have to do it by ourselves when the table closes. But it is able to read them. So that already is evidence to show that it could be possible..

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    This happened more than six months ago. So the casino should not have the tape recording pointing back to me. So I have this pit boss come to my table, ranting/telling the dealer, "Some idiot set the table side bet to PLUS THREE. No wonder it is losing money." He worked on the machine for quite a few minutes. Obviously he did not do this often. Not resetting it by unplugging the machine but just return to the root menu, then select the correct side bet to Luck Lady so the shuffler will generate the sequence suitable for LL and not paying too much to the customers. If the casino can do this to the side bet, imagine what they can do to the main game Blackjack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    This happened more than six months ago. So the casino should not have the tape recording pointing back to me. So I have this pit boss come to my table, ranting/telling the dealer, "Some idiot set the table side bet to PLUS THREE. No wonder it is losing money." He worked on the machine for quite a few minutes. Obviously he did not do this often. Not resetting it by unplugging the machine but just return to the root menu, then select the correct side bet to Luck Lady so the shuffler will generate the sequence suitable for LL and not paying too much to the customers. If the casino can do this to the side bet, imagine what they can do to the main game Blackjack.
    Clearly, if this happened, against the law. You can’t screw with random probability, and expect to go unscathed. You should have reported it. It would have given credence, if proven, to your conspiracy allegations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Clearly, if this happened, against the law. You can’t screw with random probability, and expect to go unscathed. You should have reported it. It would have given credence, if proven, to your conspiracy allegations.
    I really was surprised when I overheard the conversation. These side bets have 20% or higher house advantage. I cannot imagine the casinos still want to control the sequence of the cards and pay less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    I really was surprised when I overheard the conversation.
    Maybe they just wanted to mess with you. Wouldn't surprise me if you tell the same conspiracy stories at the tables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Maybe they just wanted to mess with you. Wouldn't surprise me if you tell the same conspiracy stories at the tables.
    Nah. I don't visit this casino much. The pit boss doesn't know me. As I said, he frustrated in bringing up the root menu then choose the correct function to set the side bet. OK. He did not say pay customer too much. He said the side bet payout is all wrong because this is PLUS THREE table and someone set it to LUCKY LADY. He did curse whoever set the machine wrong.

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    So I have this pit boss come to my table, ranting/telling the dealer,



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    It is possible the ASM is rigged. But even if it is, the pit boss wouldn't know, and they sure as hell wouldnt tell the dealers. This goes way high up. If it was spread to dealers and pit bosses then this information would already be leaked.

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