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    Is ASM rigged?

    I play a double deck game with 60% penetration, the best rules, except for hit soft 17 and no surrender, but they allowed double after split, 25 minimum and 500 maximum, I have only been playing for about 25 hours this month, and I am already hitting a $16,000 downswing. I max bet $250 at +4. So this is a 68 max bet downswing. I checked CVVX and the chance of me losing that in those hours is 0.37%. I use knockout with full indexes. I have tested my play using casino varite and i am 100% perfect play. Now I find it really hard to believe that i am hitting a 0.37% variance. As I have only been playing for about 1 year, it seems that every time the count is low, I bet minimum bet and they let me win, but every time the count increases, I get a stiff hand and always bust. And the dealer is always making 20s. the only thing that is actually normal is the insurance, because every time I buy insurance on a high count I usually hit it, besides that I lose almost all of my big bets. It seems that even on a high count if a dealer has a bust card, they will still pull small cards.. and if the dealer has a face card, they will just pull one big card. I am thinking that there is a mode on the automatic shuffling machine that is meant for card counters only... because if I were to just slap bet I would actually be winning more often, but they somehow group together certain cards to unfavor the card counter..

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    if there was cheating my money would be on the dealer not the shuffle machine

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    I strongly suspect the answer is yes based on my experience. But Norm's policy is that you have to have proof to discuss it. So you can't discuss it here.

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    25 hours is about 2500-3000 rounds. N0 for the game is about 15,000 rounds. You have not played enough to have statistical signifcance. Certainly, your results raise flags that deserve consideration but do not allow oyu to draw a conclusion.

    Your allegations of impropriety with the ASM are equally insignificant.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ldubz274 View Post
    I play a double deck game with 60% penetration, the best rules, except for hit soft 17 and no surrender, but they allowed double after split, 25 minimum and 500 maximum, I have only been playing for about 25 hours this month, and I am already hitting a $16,000 downswing. I max bet $250 at +4. So this is a 68 max bet downswing. I checked CVVX and the chance of me losing that in those hours is 0.37%. I use knockout with full indexes. I have tested my play using casino varite and i am 100% perfect play. Now I find it really hard to believe that i am hitting a 0.37% variance. As I have only been playing for about 1 year, it seems that every time the count is low, I bet minimum bet and they let me win, but every time the count increases, I get a stiff hand and always bust. And the dealer is always making 20s. the only thing that is actually normal is the insurance, because every time I buy insurance on a high count I usually hit it, besides that I lose almost all of my big bets. It seems that even on a high count if a dealer has a bust card, they will still pull small cards.. and if the dealer has a face card, they will just pull one big card. I am thinking that there is a mode on the automatic shuffling machine that is meant for card counters only... because if I were to just slap bet I would actually be winning more often, but they somehow group together certain cards to unfavor the card counter..

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    A couple of comments.
    Likelihood of North American Casino cheating on ASM is very low, as in too much to lose. If you’re losing big time to one dealer, don’t play with that dealer. If he is cheating you, and if he’s good at it, you will never catch him. I once suspected Tom Foolery by one dealer in one joint - just walk away.

    I’ve experienced 3sd on the wrong side of the bell curve. I’ve also experienced 4 or 5sd (if that’s even possible) on the right side of the bell curve. Interestingly enough, same joints. When you’ve played long enough, anything can happen.

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    I play mostly ASMs. I really don't have a choice in the matter. Sometimes I think the ASM might be up to something but then the most suspicious outliers happen the very small percentage of the time I play hand shuffles. I know the shuffle isn't cooked then. So I would have to say I am not convinced of ASM cheating. I have some places it is hard to win but I understand the issues and it isn't the ASM. I just don't play these places as often as the places where winning comes easier. It always amazes me that some people don't play less and less frequently where they struggle to win. The longer such a trend continues the more likely it isn't random chance affecting results. Usually I understand what is going on. But some people want to extract revenge on the casinos they do bad at and play more often (This is the biggest mistake many APs make. This lack of judgement causes them to overexpose themselves misguided by the idea that it matters where you win and lose). When they continue losing, because they don't understand why they are losing, they start to feel cheated. Most often the player just doesn't understand the subtleties you need to use judgement to reduce the impact of what you might face in that casino.

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    How many players at your table when this is happening?

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    Quote Originally Posted by albee View Post
    How many players at your table when this is happening?
    Who are you asking?

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    When I saw ASM's being tested at a casino and the tester, took 3 cards and placed them face down and then placed decks in ASM, the red light comes and he reads the cards from the window on ASM, and then flips over the three cards to verify, I knew the AS M can read cards. Thus, the ASM can be programmed.

    Now, do they always do it, probably not but my bet is that they have the capability and they may occasionally do it if they see an AP there.

    However, this thread is likely to be moved all as it's not tolerated by forum admins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Now, do they always do it, probably not but my bet is that they have the capability and they may occasionally do it if they see an AP there.
    Bad news if you are a known AP in a network.

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    Is ASM rigged?

    Why haven’t anyone been able to confirm or disputes this conspiracy theory simply by asking a dealer friend, or one of the experts that’s crossed over to the “dark side”. It’s getting old.


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    Noone on this forum works in the casino management who could confirm:
    "Of course we set up and program our ASMs! Every single morning."
    Seriously?! I totally understand that this topic has been chewed over million times and might have caused a lot of headache to certain players but is there any real evidence?
    Stop guessing and assuming...pls..!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferenc11 View Post
    Noone on this forum works in the casino management who could confirm:
    "Of course we set up and program our ASMs! Every single morning."
    Seriously?! I totally understand that this topic has been chewed over million times and might have caused a lot of headache to certain players but is there any real evidence?
    Stop guessing and assuming...pls..!

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    Someone said the same thing when people were discussing their Volkswagon and Audi cars. It's from discussion that a consensus builds and a plan formulates to go to the trouble of investigating stuff. If a thread does not appeal to you, ignore it.

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