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    One2six cheating

    Hi,

    what can we do against One2six when we discover that they are cheating with a card reader in their machines ?
    I think every advantage players should be concerned and try to do something against One2six to stop that.

    Hope to find some serious people in here

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    It's yellow time.

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    Depends on what you mean by "cheating". If you are saying that the machines can cheat, there is zero evidence of that. If you are saying the entire concept of CSMs as opposed to human dealing, that's not cheating either as they actually slightly improve odds for the average player. But, it's sad that casinos resort to such nonsense. This is not what card playing should be about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    It's yellow time.
    What's that mean?

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    Voodoo nonsense is moved to the Disadvantage Forum, where all posts are in yellow -- as in "yellow journalism", from the 1890s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Depends on what you mean by "cheating". If you are saying that the machines can cheat, there is zero evidence of that. If you are saying the entire concept of CSMs as opposed to human dealing, that's not cheating either as they actually slightly improve odds for the average player. But, it's sad that casinos resort to such nonsense. This is not what card playing should be about.

    it’s very serious, I just know it’s not everywhere, cause I found some machines which are not cheating yet but most of them do. They updated the software or changed the inside of the machine.
    when I’m saying they are cheating it means that they changed something in order to make it non random in a certain way, the machine can read the cards and make the people loose more.

    It is a serious subject and I have no time with useless people in here, I just want to know what could we do to make them stop doing that !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean26 View Post
    It is a serious subject and I have no time with useless people in here,
    Serious suggestion: It's not a good idea, nor considered good form (!), to call the site administrator and host "useless." It further might be a good idea, as a new poster, to do a search of this topic and read the hundreds of (mostly USELESS) posts that have appeared.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Serious suggestion: It's not a good idea, nor considered good form (!), to call the site administrator and host "useless." It further might be a good idea, as a new poster, to do a search of this topic and read the hundreds of (mostly USELESS) posts that have appeared.

    Don

    I was not talking about Norm and I wouldn’t say he is a useless person of course. I’m talking about 99% of the people in here.
    I’m not talking either about you Don.
    I know you know Gman very well like me ...
    I don’t go on that forum it’s true cause I think there’s a lot of useless things for any real serious advantage player.

    Anyway, for those who will take this post seriously (Norm, Don, maybe others...) it’s really serious and I was just trying to get some good advices to stop shuffle master doing non random shuffle !!!

    whay would be the best option ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean26 View Post
    cause I found some machines which are not cheating yet but most of them do.
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    changed something in order to make it non random in a certain way
    Your going to have a hard time convincing people on a statistically based forum that "most are cheating".

    Most agree that the risk is simply to great for the casino operator to engage in cheating where several key employees would have to have knowledge of the cheating. Its one thing for a dealer or employee to engage in cheating. Its an entirely different scenario for the casino to engage in cheating by "changing something out in the machine". If exposed this would cause the casino operator to lose their gaming license. The risk is simply to great.


    The statistical probability that "most casinos are cheating", and "changing something out in the machine" is just about as statistically probable as the world coming to an end within the next week.

    There is a casino somewhere that may have cheated players, but MOST are not. Its just not happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BankerCA View Post
    Your going to have a hard time convincing people on a statistically based forum that "most are cheating".

    Most agree that the risk is simply to great for the casino operator to engage in cheating where several key employees would have to have knowledge of the cheating. Its one thing for a dealer or employee to engage in cheating. Its an entirely different scenario for the casino to engage in cheating by "changing something out in the machine". If exposed this would cause the casino operator to lose their gaming license. The risk is simply to great.


    The statistical probability that "most casinos are cheating", and "changing something out in the machine" is just about as statistically probable as the world coming to an end within the next week.

    There is a casino somewhere that may have cheated players, but MOST are not. Its just not happening.

    Thank you for your answer
    I’m not saying casinos are cheating, this is shuffle master which updated their machine in a non random way (card reader)
    I think maybe the general directors must be aware about the cheating and even that I’m not sure ...
    only thing I’m sure is that most of One2six Ots are cheating in a certain way that I can’t tell in public.

    Please I’m not here to debate wether shuffle master is cheating or not, I know 100% they are but because I haven’t played in every casinos of the world I can’t tell that is everywhere. But I know for sure that most of the casinos in a continent are cheating and some director are aware of it.

    my question is just how could we make shuffle master to stop that ? Are they allowed to use the card reader to sort the card in a certain non random way or like I would think they shouldn’t use any reader and make it random.

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    The One2Six is simply not designed for cheating. To cheat, you would hear it spending very, very long times rearranging cards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean26 View Post
    I know you know Gman very well like me ...
    Jean26, first, could you PM me, cause I have no clue about who you are...? Second, I hope your posting doesn't imply that I endorse your views on CSMs, cause I don't!
    G Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by BankerCA View Post
    Your going to have a hard time convincing people on a statistically based forum that "most are cheating".

    Most agree that the risk is simply to great for the casino operator to engage in cheating where several key employees would have to have knowledge of the cheating. Its one thing for a dealer or employee to engage in cheating. Its an entirely different scenario for the casino to engage in cheating by "changing something out in the machine". If exposed this would cause the casino operator to lose their gaming license. The risk is simply to great.


    The statistical probability that "most casinos are cheating", and "changing something out in the machine" is just about as statistically probable as the world coming to an end within the next week.

    There is a casino somewhere that may have cheated players, but MOST are not. Its just not happening.
    The issue is not convincing people on this forum, the debate cannot take place because the forum administrator does not allow it.

    Second, there are numerous examples of corporations taking those “risks”. State regulators can be manipulated, if it ever gets to them. For example, if it does not affect the non card counter whose odds would remain the same, if casino odds remain the same and it just defeats card counters, it might sound okay to regulators. All it takes is one competent tech person, pit or dealers would not be included.

    Still a minority but perhaps increasing. Tell tale signs include deep penetration and increased tolerance, mid shoeventry being allowed, etc.

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