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    The great mystery involving ASM, and can they be pre programed to cheat?

    I just made the following post on another site and thought I share it here as well to get a few more perspectives.


    Wherever the truth lies there seems to be a deliberate effort in the AP community to suppress the story. Many current and old threads discuss just how low and underhanded the casino industry will go to reach their bottom line. Encourage drinking with free offerings, exploit addicts of all kinds, constant rule changes to increase house edges, and the barring of AP players who are smart. We have forums where established players help out beginners, and part-timers by giving back and we think we are superior human beings compared to the casino management teams that represent the slime of the earth. But apparently, there are those in the AP community who could care less whoever gets stepped on and ruined in the process of exploiting a play. So it may very well turn out that all these forums and helping others is all one big facade and in reality, most everyone is bottom feeders. If the story turns out to be true, "in my mind" it will be a real reflective mark on us all.

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    At least you put it in Disadvantage.

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    They’re slime buckets on both sides of the fence. Loads of them on the casino side of things, and certainly some on the AP side as well.

    How’s this for bad manners.
    I very recently scolded a critter on his ridiculous ruling, who claimed there was nothing he could do for me. After I dressed him down, he reluctantly ruled in my favour for this (one time only) occurrence. I would have dressed him down again 2 minutes later, had the same issue reoccurred.

    It was a totally self serving house ruling, at a min 50 table, at a store who like to portray themselves as high end, and who are, in reality - bush league.

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    I am aware that there are those in the AP community that have put a massive effort into making baseless accusations against many others in the AP community. Such people are extremely harmful to the community. Please let's keep this paranoid thinking off this forum. If someone has actual evidence, that's fine. But lashing out at folks and making vile accusations based on nothing but an overactive imagination is not acceptable.
    "It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows." -Epictetus

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    Greed and envy seem to be all too unfortunate accompaniments to the human animal. I've seen a few piranha type behaviors but all in all the community especially here on the forum has been exemplary.

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    I don't feel quite right playing Blackjack since the introduction of MD3. The pictures of MD3 could be found following the link:

    http://www.thetpro.com/baccarat/md3/

    If your long term end results are worse playing MD3 compared to hand-shuffled, please post here.

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    BJGenius007, all I know is I remember going back a few years and periodically giving you a hard time on the subject. With very little actual experience playing against ASM at that time to back up my words. Fast forward to today and my own sample size is too small compared to your study my results are not that much different vs hand shuffled cards but there is one huge difference I do not trust the ASM and I find myself playing less and less against them. I no longer take all your words on the subject lightly. I rather not talk about it here as most everyone does not think it is possible. The one body I trust the least now is the oversight Gaming Commissions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    I rather not talk about it here as most everyone does not think it is possible.
    That brings up a good question though. Why does most everyone think that with today's technology advancements, along with the human element that runs everything, is it not possible that ASM can be altered or actually are altered to program cards into different preset patterns? Surely it cannot be the concern about protection of the oversight Gaming Commissions, they more than likely would think that there is nothing wrong with that method anyway as long as a player was given a cut card to start the game, and they would think that was not much different than what we refer to as preferential shuffling. They would also try to lay the blame on the manufacturer of the product. A measily fine of $20 k or something, that will stop them, yah right. Does members think that AP's over a extended period of time, cannot spot unusual but definative patterns and irregularities? Don, and Norm have either of you played against those machines for any length of time yourselves over the last five or six years?
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    It is very simple. Every conspiracy has the problem that all the conspirators must keep it quit. The larger the conspiracy the more people that need to keep quiet. All it takes is one guy spilling the beans. So far no beans have been spilled by the thousands or tens of thousands of people that would be involved in the conspiracy. So that translates to no chance that it is happening.

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    Why does thousands or tens of thousands of people have to be involved?

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