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    For those unfamiliar with I. Nelson Rose, go to http://www.gamblingandthelaw.com/ to get a sense of the extent of his knowledge and contribution to the field.
    21frogman, I am not attacking Rose’s intelligence or the extent of his knowledge and contributions to the field. Im sorry if you took my comments that way. I’m sure he is very intelligent and very knowledgeable. I’m just commenting on this article. I didn’t think much of it. I certainly didn’t learn anything from it.

    His main point is caisnos are “in trouble” because they haven’t kept up with the times and invented new games. He said Millennials “hate slots”, which everybody knows. It’s a little more complicated than the this but I get what Rose was trying to say.

    The bigger problem for casinos is Millennials don’t like gambling as much as the older generations. Millennials don’t see the enjoyment in playing negative EV games for the purpose of entertainment. Rose never mentions this. It appears Rose thinks all casinos need to do is invent new games and Millennials will come.

    There we’re several other things in this article I didn’t agree with, but I didn’t go into it since I know Freightman (my favorite antagonist) wouldn’t be able to deal with it. Freightman has a hard time dealing with ideas that are different than his.

    We’ve all had off days. Maybe Rose was just having an off day when he wrote this. I know I’ve had some off days before.

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    The point is that new games does not mean new variations of classic gambling. Bingo was a new casino game. Lots of new table games with variations on the same casino theme aren't really new games, just new twists on centuries old concepts. Millennials want VR, speed, blood, and competition against other players. 15 years ago I said my software would be more popular if the dealer spewed blood when you got a BJ. I think this was his point, and a couple casinos have taken initial steps in this direction. As for millennials not liking negative EV, spending $6,000 on a gaming rig and spending their lives sitting in front of it is negative EV. Considering the business of casinos, taking advantage of that addiction would seem the door to their future.
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    DBS6582, I understand your problems with the article. Perhaps this wasn't Prof Rose's best article.
    I think that you will find this one more cogent and of value:
    http://www.gamblingandthelaw.com/the...es-everything/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    This is one of the dumbest opinion articles I’ve ever read. You could tell his anti-casinos bias from the first paragraph: “You know your industry is in trouble if the most current product you offer your 21st Century patrons is bingo.” What? I’ve been to a lot of casinos and never seen bingo offered. He must be going to different casinos then me. Lol
    Every post you make has a severe casino employee bias. How do you expect anyone here not to think you work for the casinos. We have had a lot of casino employees that were valuable contributors to this site. They were honest about being a casino employee and helped us understand what we can't see happening in a casino. They were not casino slaves and more or less sided with our side but made money from the casinos as an employee and an AP. Your steadfast pro casino perspective will make everyone assume you are a casino employee whether you are or not.

    I get invited to bingo at most casinos in casino cluster areas. I never go so I wouldn't know if the solo casinos offer them or not. I haven't noticed any offers but that doesn't mean they don't have them. I never cared to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    Every post you make has a severe casino employee bias. How do you expect anyone here not to think you work for the casinos. We have had a lot of casino employees that were valuable contributors to this site. They were honest about being a casino employee and helped us understand what we can't see happening in a casino. They were not casino slaves and more or less sided with our side but made money from the casinos as an employee and an AP. Your steadfast pro casino perspective will make everyone assume you are a casino employee whether you are or not.

    I get invited to bingo at most casinos in casino cluster areas. I never go so I wouldn't know if the solo casinos offer them or not. I haven't noticed any offers but that doesn't mean they don't have them. I never cared to ask.
    Three, why does it matter what I do? Why can’t you debate the points I make rather than dwell on who you think I am?

    Btw, you’re missing the point the author was trying to make when he mentioned Bingo in his second sentence. He used Bingo as an example to make fun of casinos and show they’re behind the times. This is when I spotted his anti-casino bias. But I still continued to read his article (in fact, I read it three times) to see if I could learn something from it since I’ve learned many things from people who I don’t agree with.

    I didn’t learn anything from this article, and thought he over simplified a fairly complicated problem. I won’t go into it here again. Please reread my posts.

    To be honest, I never knew casinos offered bingo. I know I’ve never seen it at any caisno i’ve gone to and I certainly haven’t got any offers from casinos to play bingo. I learned something new this week. If I was a casino employee, wouldn’t you think I’d know they offer bingo?

    All people are different and have different opinions. It sounds like you believe anything you read as long as it is anti-casino. The words you use show your bias, calling casino employees “slaves”. You need to be careful how you use that word. A “slave” is someone who has no choice on who they work for. Every casino employee has a choice. They don’t have to work for casinos if they don’t want to. Maybe someday you’ll become more open minded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    A “slave” is someone who has no choice on who they work for. Every casino employee has a choice. They don’t have to work for casinos if they don’t want to.
    I have to agree with Three on this one. Apparently, you do not watch "The Conners" on television which is based on real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Sorry, do you know who Prof. Rose is? In no way, shape, or form is he a supporter of casino machinations. He is on our side. I keep refs and email alerts to his blog on the subscription forums because I believe he has a better understanding of international gambling law than any other human.
    Sorry, Norm. I really wasn't clear and didn't mean any disrespect to the author. I meant something else entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    I have to agree with Three on this one. Apparently, you do not watch "The Conners" on television which is based on real life.
    Be ever so wary of Mr. Contrary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    Why can’t you debate the points I make rather than dwell on who you think I am?

    Btw, you’re missing the point the author was trying to make when he mentioned Bingo in his second sentence. He used Bingo as an example to make fun of casinos and show they’re behind the times.
    I was debating the point you made. You were wrong as has been pointed out by a few people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    The words you use show your bias, calling casino employees “slaves”. You need to be careful how you use that word. A “slave” is someone who has no choice on who they work for.
    Slave has much more complicated definition than that. It implies a lack of freedom to make an objective choice or response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    I was debating the point you made. You were wrong as has been pointed out by a few people.
    Three, okay so you want to debate Bingo. I spent some time researching the history of Bingo since that is what people appear be hung up on. I was surprised to learn it's origins date back to the 1530s:

    https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-bingo-4077068

    Here is what Prof Rose said in the opening of his article"

    "Every single form of legal gambling was invented in the 19th Century, exceptbingo. You know your industry is in trouble if the most current product you offer your21st Century patrons is bingo.Of course there have been technological developments. But these have beenevolutionary, not revolutionary."

    Bingo was NOT invented in the 19th century, and it is not "revolutionary". It was invented in 1530s and then "evolved", just like about every other game in the casinos.

    I fully understand why Prof Rose used this example, even though it was an incorrect one. It was to take a cheap shot at the casino industry. We all know what someone would think if you told them the last invention in gambling was Bingo. They would think the gambling industry was stupid and behind the times, which is why Prof Rose led with this paragraph. I understand the bigger point Rose was trying to make and I didn't agree with it too.

    Look, I could spend a lot of time going through this article and pointing out why I didn't think it was very real reasoned, but that is missing the point. This is an "opinion piece". Prof Rose is entitled to his opinion, and I'm entilted to mine to. I was just stating my opinion after reading it. I respect Norm for allowing me to post here, even though he knows my views are different than the majority here. I have got some "likes" so it appears some like my posts, although I know it's few and far between.

    I read a lot and have a lot of interests. There are many great people in history I respect and have learned from. This does not mean I agree with everything they have said or wrote.

    Why is it so hard for you to accept someone who's views are different than yours. Going forward please debate my points, and don't always dwell on what you think I do. That's irrelevant to the points I'm trying to make. Thank you.

    And btw, I like casino empoyees. Some of them are my good friends. They have choices to work in other places and they choose to work in a casino. Since it's a legal business, I have no problem with that. I don't judge people who work in casinos.

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    We're talking about casino games. Dice have been around since the Stone Age; but we don't say casino games have included dice since before written language. Bingo (née beano) was created in the 1920's based on some French and Italian lotteries going back a few centuries; but did not become a casino game until more recently. I seem to remember there was a mid-Strip bingo game on the second floor of a Holiday Inn maybe 20 years ago. I believe the good professor had his facts right.

    BTW, I did some work for Richard Epstein on bingo some years back. There exist some strange bonuses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    "Every single form of legal gambling was invented in the 19th Century, exceptbingo. You know your industry is in trouble if the most current product you offer your21st Century patrons is bingo.Of course there have been technological developments. But these have beenevolutionary, not revolutionary."

    Bingo was NOT invented in the 19th century, and it is not "revolutionary". It was invented in 1530s and then "evolved", just like about every other game in the casinos.
    According to your quote, he said that bingo was NOT invented in the 19th century and that the changes have been evolutionary and NOT revolutionary, both of which agree with your research and opinion.

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    The guy seems knowledgeable and has some interesting points of view, so his stuff is worth a read at least.
    All I can say is how many younger people do you honestly see playing in the casinos you go to?
    How many under say 40 do you see playing slots? I see almost zero.
    Playing table games? I see almost zero.
    How many in the casino at all? I see almost zero.
    I would think it's pretty obvious that casinos have a real problem once all of us die off.

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