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    Book sale: Dice Setting Crapsability by Charles Westcott

    I'm selling a great book about dice setting: the art of throwing the dice so they land in a particular way. Some of you will say its voodoo. Some of you will say its a real strategy. I have no idea. But I do know the book is in great condition and almost like new. $15 includes shipping. Paypal accepted.

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    Did it work for you, that the questions?

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    Whie there is some substance to the claim, to attain the skill is so difficult, if achievable at all, as to render the effort useless.
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    In Australia, at the Craps tables, dice setting is prohibited and the back wall is covered with a layer of textured foam. It is hard to believe that anyone could overcome those obstacles in order to influence the outcome of a throw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zbest1966 View Post
    Did it work for you, that the questions?
    I never pursued craps. Blackjack seems to be all I'm interested in in the casino.

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    Craps is fun. I like chucking the dice lol. I don't believe dice setting does a damn, which is why casinos allow it. All it does is slow the game down.

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    Unlike BJ, which uses mental skills everyone should be able to master, dice control is a very difficult physical skill. Mastering the skill is about the same frequency as being a pro athlete. Many believe they can do it but very few really can. All you need to do is get both dice to hit the table so neither point is favored and do very little after they hit the table. They can land on the flat or on the edge but neither die can land favoring either point. It sounds simple but it is a very hard skill to master. You need both to do it at the same time for it to have an effect on randomness. I have seen people that had the skill. I was good enough to make money but I needed better control on the my weak die to really kill the casino. I had great control on 1 die and weak control on the other. That allowed me to make money but nothing like some of the guys I know that could target high odds bets. I targeted the 6 and 8 place bets. The guys that were really good could make big money betting hop bets. There was a huge house edge on those bets but if you are really influencing the outcome of the dice the HE is meaningless. Half the ability to make money using dice control is understanding the betting. To many worry to much about controlling the dice and never learn how to make the most with the skill if they should be one of the precious few to get good at it.

    I stopped doing it a long time ago because of casino countermeasures. If the dice created differently at different casinos it made DC almost impossible and the casinos knew this. The casinos spent lots of money constantly changing the landing surface once they realized people influencing the dice was a real threat. I thought it was stupid to try to make money using a physical skill that relied on the equipment being standard once there was no standard for equipment and the casinos constantly changed the way the dice react to the equipment they provided, the table. So I went to other games that had a more certain edge even though the edge was smaller. If you want to see if you are one of the few and can find a casino that won't change the equipment every other week then have at it. I wish you luck.

    I recommend getting craps table. Get sets of dice that are two different colors so when you practice you can track what each die does individually. My DC theory was getting the dice to tumble so the 4 faces of a die in line with the tumble would come up more often than the two sides of the dice that are on the tumbles axis. I tracked rolls in sets of 24 rolls. A random roll would expect 18 results from off axis and 6 of the two sides which are on the axis of the tumble. My strongly controlled die would had a results range of 20-24 out of 24 for the 4 faces that I was trying to increase the frequency of. The weaker die had a range of 18 to 22 out of 24 rolls. In the hundreds of thousand or maybe millions of rounds of recorded practice rolls I only had 1 time that I got 17 of what I was trying to roll on the weak die. That's good enough to get an decent advantage but not good enough to target hop bets. If I could control both die like the strong one I would have been able to make serious money. I knew how I would bet but try as much as I did I never got better with the weaker die. I would just be a random roller today since I haven't practiced in decades. It is a physical skill that requires constant practice to say sharp at. Unless you want to practice for hours a day most of the days in a week it probably isn't for you, assuming you are one of those rare individuals that could get the dice to land properly and not do much after landing. I got barred in Vegas at a few casinos for dice control on the few trips I took out there back in the day. And told I wasn't allowed to set the dice at some other places. They then slid the dice to me with a 7 up. If you know craps that is something they never ever do. Obviously they thought I was controlling the dice. I threw them quicker than most people do so it wasn't about game speed. Except for Vegas, I never got barred for DC. They try to break your concentration but don't bar. I am not sure what it is like today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drunk View Post
    interesting comment. why? surely they don't believe legions of dice setters are going to beat up on them

    maybe because it slows the game down? not a good reason to prohibit it. they're pissing off patrons who believe in it and would often lose big and because of this rule might travel elsewhere
    Obviously, it is a game protection measure but also dice setting is prohibited here because the player is not required to hit the back wall. All that is required is for the shooter to attempt a "good honest throw" and most of the time one or both die do hit the wall which has an uneven textured surface. Game speed is not really an issue here and there are four staff watching the shooter at all times so I can't see it being a very effective AP opportunity.
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