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    There is no such thing as a perfect index.
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    How did Cacarulo was getting perfect index?
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    Don, Norm... ?
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    I discussed indices with Cac many times. I don't remember anything like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LifeStudent View Post
    Hi, I am very new to blackjack AP, simply a student so far, but my drive and passion are very high. I eat, breathe, and sleep strategy. I have downloaded QFIT to my android and set the rules to DAS, H17 for the HI-LO system. My question is, why does a 13 v 2 have an index of 0 whereas il18 shows -1? Thank you for reading.

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    In practice, I expect it's going to cost you less than a penny per hour if you elect one over the other given that you would most likely have a minimum bet out. It's one of those where you can incorporate in your act, maybe ask the pit of the dealer or ploppies what you should do.

    There are times when some poppy has a $50 or $100 bet or more out, I am sitting with a 13 vs 2 on a $5 bet and asking what to do might help you out if you follow their recommendation. If they say to hit and you do and as a result the dealer busts, everyone is happy. If you take the dealers bust card and the dealer wins, no one blames you because you asked. If people say to do what you want, no one blames you as you asked and they did not advise.

    Some people say, screw everyone else and play what you think is correct but on these close decisions, but if you like a table with harmony and comraderie, it costs little or nothing to refer to others on occasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    I discussed indices with Cac many times. I don't remember anything like that.
    Nor I. I can think of only two things: 1) When Joel Friedman published his risk-averse paper, he furnished all Hi-Lo indices to one decimal place. 2) When generating indices, it's possible to multiply all the tags by 10, but compute the TC in the same manner as always. Then, when you get a value like, say, 24, you claim that the "perfect" index is 2.4, which you now know to one decimal place, but I'm not sure that you're really doing anything more accurate at all.

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    I think that he and Cacarulo also has an algebraic method. Red line= EV hit/stay and TC -2....+6.
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    Algebraic methods make calculations to any number of decimals. But, they are not even accurate to integers. My physics teacher taught that numbers reported to more decimals than are known are just plain wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Nor I. I can think of only two things: 1) When Joel Friedman published his risk-averse paper, he furnished all Hi-Lo indices to one decimal place. 2) When generating indices, it's possible to multiply all the tags by 10, but compute the TC in the same manner as always. Then, when you get a value like, say, 24, you claim that the "perfect" index is 2.4, which you now know to one decimal place, but I'm not sure that you're really doing anything more accurate at all.

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    I agree with Don. People talk about chasing pennies a lot when it isn't actually chasing pennies. This would literally be chasing pennies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Algebraic methods make calculations to any number of decimals. But, they are not even accurate to integers. My physics teacher taught that numbers reported to more decimals than are known are just plain wrong.
    I think you are wrong. I can provide this program for you to test. My software quite accurately and instantly copes with all tasks. Don, Norm ? Where Dog Hand ? One of my condition- You must give a your public rating for this software.
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