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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    ... Back counting is so effective because you don't play any negative counts .
    Who said anything about back counting???...so you and "your team" are back counting black?...lol...what count does "your team" employ???...certainly not your "13 column, yet to be published' count?...HAHAHA...why/how do you give up all the"swings" by employing an inferior team???...HAHAHAHA

    Youare so phony it's silly...the amount you post, you can't possibly be a real player....more likely an unemployed 40 something living in his parent's basement "missing payments"

    Sharky out...best of luck!

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    Don't forget, YOU said " the more I play, the more I lose".....HAHAHAHAHAHABABA

    what a pathetic joke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    Youare so phony it's silly...the amount you post, you can't possibly be a real player....more likely an unemployed 40 something living in his parent's basement "missing payments"
    You would be wrong.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    I don't think T3 is a red chipper. He is the LeBron James of BJ. Like LeBron can play multiple positions, T3 can play multiple ccounts, track multiple cards, maintain many many bins (2-6, 7-9, etc), use many techniques, take casino in many ways, not just BJ. He is legend, has befuddled and demolished some top AP 's from this forum. While he does not play any of the counts used by all other forum members, he can advise everyone on the game and I am not being sarcastic. He amazes me.
    Thank you for your opinion. Since you think T3 is so amazing you should ask him for his picture and paste it on a baseball card and put it in your shoe box.

    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    Hahahha. I love it when people blow their credibility by making comments they have no way of knowing the truth about to attack the poster rather than the post. It is the tactic of a desperate poster that has to make stuff up rather than back up what he says with facts. This is because they have no facts to back themselves up. I haven't red chipped in years. Most of the time you aren't even allowed to bet anything less than green even if you wanted to.
    Thinking that someone may be a nickel bettor is a far cry from attacking a poster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    You miss the point. Back counting is so effective because you don't play any negative counts. When you set yourself up to have the highest ratio of disadvantage bet hands to advantage bet hands you are just setting yourself up to both waste time and lose money. It is one of the most basic AP concepts and you just never got it. Good luck wasting lots and lots of hours chasing a tiny EV. I will be hitting better opportunities until the time and/or conditions are ripe to get in and out while getting a lot of rounds in and get lots of advantage bets when it happens. These one trick ponies make me laugh. They think the only EV in the casino is at a BJ table counting cards. BJ is one of the worst opportunities in the casino. But when you hit it right you can stack the odds in your favor. Hit it wrong and it is a big waste of time and the EV you give up sitting at a BJ table that is crawling along generating almost no EV is staggering. Playing is exposure. You will only get so much time at each casino before you get the tap. Some people will get a lot more than others because they are better at the art of BJ rather than worrying about getting every last bit of EV. Make the most of the time you have. Don't be short sighted like Sharky apparently is. Get in as many rounds as you can before you get the tap.
    Blackjack discussion is far and away the number one subject on this general forum or am I missing something here? When I hear things like:

    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    These one trick ponies make me laugh. They think the only EV in the casino is at a BJ table counting cards. BJ is one of the worst opportunities in the casino.
    I am the wrong person for discussing the validity for or against the above quote but personally, I find it highly insulting. The poster of the above quote has repeatedly written the same kind of post for years in an "I do not know how else to take it" apparent superior bragging position regardless if it was meant to be or not.
    PS: There must be a lot of shit/piss on the floor after all those ponies have been playing at the tables.

    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    Don't be short sighted like Sharky apparently is.
    Sharky, sounds like a smart guy to me.

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    Originally Posted by Sharky
    Youare so phony it's silly...the amount you post, you can't possibly be a real player....more likely an unemployed 40 something living in his parent's basement "missing payments"

    Stealth's reply

    "You would be wrong."


    Sharky may have been wrong but just possibly Three deserved the words that were directed his way.




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    Back to the original question.. Everyone defines full time differently. I consider myself a part time, recreational player. I have played 530 hours this year and have generated more EV than my yearly expenses. I have a normal person job where I make the bulk of my income and depend on that to pay my bills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    Back to the original question.. Everyone defines full time differently. I consider myself a part time, recreational player. I have played 530 hours this year and have generated more EV than my yearly expenses. I have a normal person job where I make the bulk of my income and depend on that to pay my bills.
    Come tax time this year you might want to re-think that part time, recreational player image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    +ev is +ev...if you don't like it...leave...or here's an even better idea: get off of your red chipping and try to find a NMSE $25 min...usually can find...or, perhaps, try HL rooms where they usually have them, or will accommodate

    good luck
    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    You miss the point. Back counting is so effective because you don't play any negative counts. When you set yourself up to have the highest ratio of disadvantage bet hands to advantage bet hands you are just setting yourself up to both waste time and lose money. It is one of the most basic AP concepts and you just never got it. Good luck wasting lots and lots of hours chasing a tiny EV. I will be hitting better opportunities until the time and/or conditions are ripe to get in and out while getting a lot of rounds in and get lots of advantage bets when it happens.
    Seriously Three the above quote is a contradiction to what you wrote in post #6. Specifically, how does one play at two hundred hands an hour while simultaneously avoid playing
    the highest ratio of disadvantage bet hands to advantage bet hands?

    In post #6 you wrote:

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    Personally I find I make more money playing fewer hours a day. It is about rounds played not hours played. You can't find a 200 round per hour game when you are playing a crowded 50 or 60 round per hour game. The former gets rounds in 3 to 4 times faster. In other words you can sit and play 15 hours a day at a crowded table or you can get in more rounds selectively playing 4 or 5 hours per day that you carefully choose to play. I usually make the most in a day when I only play 5 hours or less. When I play more I often lose and miss the best playing opportunities. I started tracking why this was and it was about rounds played."


    Still, in post #6 you wrote:

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    If you start heads up play you want to play as fast as the dealer can deal to get in as many rounds as you can before you have to share the cards."

    Putting some light humor into this I suppose you could use 14 teammates all on different tables as spotters while you are wearing rollerblades on your feet while being the only big player. Now back to reality with all the new players that join this site you cannot be writing incomplete information like the following:

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    When you set yourself up to have the highest ratio of disadvantage bet hands to advantage bet hands you are just setting yourself up to both waste time and lose money."

    Any new player who has purchased Don's BJ Attack 3 book and is looking at the play all charts in chapter ten is going to be wondering whom to believe. Not realizing that two or three wongers might enter the table every time the count gets good. Although, the intruded person always remembers the guy wearing rollerblades.

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    Ridennce...silly phony!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    Originally Posted by Sharky


    is this some IBS (Iritital Bowel Syndrome) strategy???

    Three's response:
    It is called controlling a table. Some teams won't let you join unless you can demonstrate this skill, because it is probably the most important and profitable AP skill. If you are good at it you can get most of the people to leave when you want them to leave or play longer when you want them to. You can get most people to wait for the shuffle or not depending on what you want. You can get a lot of ploppies to avoid your table altogether or lammer up spots until you tell them to play. You can even get dealers to cut deeper. The fact that you don't understand how important this skill is while apparently not possessing the skill shows you limit your advantage to just what a computer can get. Playing in a casino is totally different than a sim or playing on a computer. When you learn how to get extra EV from this difference then you will have taken a giant leap forward in getting the money more efficiently.
    Three, I think your skill level on this part of the game is more attributable to your reputation than anything else. Example "just a joke as it would be really hard to wong in on someone playing 200 hph" two counters are back counting your solo play at a minimum of 200 hph and then the tc gets very nice when suddenly a third person nudges his two buddies and tells them not to get in, which they oblige, but request a meeting. Later the other person told them anybody but him. He's the guy that left the casino after being harassed by a small group of bikers only to confront them in the parking lot and kick the biggest one in the nuts and ask if anyone else has a problem. Then proceded to his car with thirty K in his pockets.
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    The dealer has to take their action for them to come in. Many will just push their bet back and keep dealing saying he is going to finish the shoe alone. They know it is worth their while to do so. If the person complains a good dealer lammers up the empty spots saying they forgot to reserve them when the people asked upon leaving. It really pays to take care of the dealers. Of course that doesn't always happen but the dealers I frequent do lots of little things to help me out, especially if they know the player trying to come in is a stiff. I have ploppies that will lammer up spots for me as well. They join at the beginning of the next shoe. It is a freeroll for them. If things go well I take care of them. If not they always want to play my side bet as compensation. Apparently I am lucky at the side bets. I just think it is selective memory on their part.

    I think it is funny that I made a comment on how effective backcounting is and everyone assumes that means I do it a lot. I never said I do it at all. I was just advising the poorly BR'ed about how to get more bang for their buck. I have been running a team for years. I mentioned it a few times only to say that I wasn't the only one making a particular observation. I never meant to "announce" I was running a team. I have commented a few times in the last couple years that my team had all made the same observations.

    Then you get people that distort the more time comment. The comment was that I get in more rounds and particularly more quality rounds when I play less time. My comment was it is about rounds played, in particular quality rounds played, not time played. My comment was when I focus on playing the most hours I do worse because I don't get in as many rounds and in particular as many quality rounds. The more time I play in a day the slower the games I am playing are because I can't find a fast game while I am bogged down in a slow game. If I just focus on getting quality rather than quantity of time played I get in more rounds and usually do much better. My worst days are always days that I played the most hours. They are also days I probably played the least number of rounds and especially the least number of quality rounds.

    I try to help educate you supposed BJ gurus but you are more interested in twisting my words than trying to understand the points I am making. The fact that you don't get the point to start with shows how little you understand how to getting the most bang for your buck.

    I hear EV is EV but the person never considers the volatility associated with the EV. Not all EV is created equal. There are other things to factor in as well. Remember SCORE and n0 factor in variance and variance is blind to positive or negative. Heat is also a factor to consider when evaluating if EV gain is worth it.

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