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    Don’t do it. It’s just a short term fix for a long term problem. Find a career that pays well and find what your passionate about. Get out of the job you hate and play part time while searching for the career that will fulfill you.

    its easy to be successful hard to get out once enough time has passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stopgambling View Post
    keep your job and just bet big is a good tactic. it limits your exposure.
    On the verge of quitting my job too. But I’d say it’s perhaps best for your mentality and well being to not bankroll it from savings.... build it up before you do it full time.
    Apart form deteriorating conditions, lifestyle is a big issue too. I can’t see myself doing it long term at all, carrying tons of cash on the road, mixing with ploppies and gamblers with no consistent social life ? Meeting people on the road is hardly an option .........
    but then, it’s still a doable thing for a single guy in the short term


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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_phantom View Post
    You lost me there....... for that amount of effort and math and Brain power, have you tried studying something with a higher earning capacity like the financial markets?
    Hard to imagine something that so easily makes money. It is effortless for me now. I don't even think about it. Now I am deciding what else I can do to get another multiple of gain. I have added almost 10 multipliers of gain over Hiopt2/ASC, which is what I started modifying. That compound return is a whole lot more than the sum of the parts. EV for a small spread in shoe games got so high that I started taking the gain elsewhere to make results much more certain. Of course the games in my region are very good shoe games. The trick is being tolerated. Plus I don't use any math.

    I just know the answers because it is so basic. I found doing math could make you lose count so I just stopped thinking about sub-answers. Like if count1 is +14 and I am using a multiple of 1/2 for count two for the decision with a RC of -3, I don't do math I just know the RC is +12.5 without thinking about it. If the index is +4 with 3 decks left I know the current RC index is +12 without thinking about it. I learned by rote in elementary school the multiples of 4 are 0, 4, 8, 12, 16, etc. I see them in my head. I don't need math to know which multiple each is, they are permanently engrained in my memory as a group. They have been since I learned them in elementary school. I know the RC is over the +12 RC decision barrier. I would get the RC index first.

    All it takes is practice and you don't do any math anymore. You just instantly know the right decision. Everything you think is hard will become effortless with enough practice. Once you have added several more things upon what you ad to work to learn, you aren't even thinking about what you trained yourself to do 3 moves ago. I don't add another trick until everything is effortless and done with no thought. In the end what others think is super hard you do without any thought at all. People just choose, for whatever reason, not to try to improve their game. It is a judgement call whether it is a good reason or not. The hardest part is learning to keep two overlapping balanced counts at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    The hardest part is learning to keep two overlapping balanced counts at the same time.
    Yeah I feel like very very few people are capable of doing that

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Dont go there.
    I see what you mean


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    everyone is different , some are strong in the upper body , some are strong in the lower body . some are all even out. a very few are strong everywhere. Lol.

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    Want to play full time? This is my advice (or preferred qualifications):

    1) Being single helps. Being a full time AP requires a lot of travel, so that can definitely cause issues in many relationships.

    2) Having no children makes AP much easier. Family demands will definitely slow down the travel demands of a full time player.

    3) I would recommend having 1 years worth of living expenses off to the side, plus your playing bankroll. This will make the endeavor significantly less stressful when experiencing those long inevitable losing streaks.

    4) Keep your living and travel expenses low. It’s not always about how much money you make, but how much you keep. I would say this statement is even more true in this situation or maybe in business because it’s not uncommon to experience months where you make little to no money, or even months where you’ll lose a good portion of your bankroll. The less demanding your living expenses are, the less strain you will put on your bankroll.

    5) Try to have other AP tools in your toolbox. Making a living soley off card counting can be tough. There’s many other ways to make money in a casino that has nothing to do with blackjack.

    6) If you have the luxury of being able to travel everywhere, then I might discourage the idea of using any cover. Back offs are absolutely inevitable. I personally hate the thought of giving back any of my edge to the casino. Especially if you live in an area where the games are mediocre. Because the only way to beat mediocre games AND make meaningful amount of money, is by either spreading big or use a tighter spread if your unit is larger. But if you’re playing really good DD and SD games, then I’d say cover is a good idea because you can afford a lot more camo with those quality games.

    I’m not saying you have to have all of these qualifications to be a successful full time card counter, but it would make it a lot easier. I have a family and the expenses that accompany that life; I’ve made it work thus far, but it’s definitely a grind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_phantom View Post
    I see what you mean
    Sorry. I am passionate about my improvements to traditional counting techniques. I have pioneered new techniques that haven't been done before. This is one of the reasons I try not to post about it. People don't understand what exists in unexplored territory. Perhaps I should delete the posts. Most people just want a plug and play easy system rather than put in the time it takes to rarely have to gripe about swings. In my opinion people are obsessed about the wrong statistics or don't understand variance is blind to direction of swings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueman View Post
    I couldnt see myself being a 100% card counter. Its not steady enough. I am a 100% pro gambler, but i play a bunch of games like blackjack, some hole carding, some low variance machines that return a ton of freeplay, and the most steady of all is poker. I win 75-80% of sessions of poker, so its super steady and not very stressful. Combining all of these games helps reduce the pure bj variance and helps create a steady income. Ive never had a losing year. This year started off the worst year of my life (almost down 6 figs in 2 extended bj sessions) but it had turned around and now its an OK year. Poker and other games helped to make up for those huge losing bj sessions i had. I. Definitely losing this year on bj (maybe 300 hours of play). But my poker/free play game has more than made up for it.
    Blueman are you not able to receive pms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueman View Post
    ... and the most steady of all is poker. I win 75-80% of sessions of poker, so its super steady and not very stressful.
    Just curious blueman, do you play both casino and online poker? I would think online you wouldn't have to worry about the CSM effect like with BJ, since you're only counting "outs" on 7 cards (assuming Texas Holdem), and the deck is reshuffled at the end of each game.

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    Outs require a knowledge of the other's hand. By the time you get that there are no more decisions to be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_phantom View Post
    I see what you mean


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    I actually enjoy reading Three's responses (even if lengthy). I don't understand all of it, but from time to time I do glean additional information to add to my "arsenal".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    Outs require a knowledge of the other's hand. By the time you get that there are no more decisions to be made.
    I don't play Texas Holdem, I was curious and found the following (maybe a difference in terminology?) at http://www.gamingtheodds.com/blackja...counting/poker :

    First of all, there's no way to count cards at poker in a way similar to blackjack since the deck is shuffled after every hand and what happened in the hand before has nothing to do with what's going to happen in the next hand.
    Card counting at poker must therefore mean the same as "how to count outs," or in other words, "how to count cards that you can win with." Counting outs in poker consists of calculating all the unseen hands, the hands with winning potential and then comparing those groups between each other.
    So how does counting cards at poker work? Say you're on the turn with a flush draw and you wonder how likely it is for you to hit a flush on the river. There are 52 cards in a standard card deck and 13 cards of each suit. Since you're on a flush draw, you have four of the same suit meaning you'll need to hit one of the remaining nine cards to get your flush. And since you're on the turn, you've already seen four cards (on the board) plus two cards (in your hand) meaning there are 46 cards to be seen.
    A simple calculation shows us that 9/46 = 0.20 so you have a 20% chance to hit a flush on the river. (This way of calculating works for the most popular poker game, Texas Hold'em.)

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