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    how many units do you carry to the casino?

    i usually carry enough to play a couple hours but sometimes i couldnt double down or split, because i didnt have enough cash.

    last time i was playing i raised my bet at TC +8 and i couldn't split my 2 aces and i got busted with 2 tens.

    how many units are you supposed to carry? should i just stop when my unit can't afford double down or split even when the count is high?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwjman View Post
    i usually carry enough to play a couple hours but sometimes i couldnt double down or split, because i didnt have enough cash.

    last time i was playing i raised my bet at TC +8 and i couldn't split my 2 aces and i got busted with 2 tens.

    how many units are you supposed to carry? should i just stop when my unit can't afford double down or split even when the count is high?

    Hi, tough break you got there!

    Good question, I've been pondering this question myself. I definitely start each round with enough in reserve to be able to split and double one or two hands however in theory you should have enough to be able to split to four and double each of those at your max bet, so if for example you're playing 10 -120 dollar bet spread you'd need 960 dollars to have zero chance of giving up estimated value. Add to this the fact you could be playing more than two hands at the table and multiply accordingly.

    One of the hardest aspects of this work for me has been learning to alter my relationship with money, i.e being comfortable carrying a lot around and not getting distraught of overjoyed at the inherent losses and gains.

    Good luck and good cards

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    That is unfortunate running out of money during a high count. I wont start playing a new shoe unless i have at least 15 max bets on me.
    I haven't lost more than that during a shoe yet, so it has been alright for me, but i have heard of others losing more than 20+maxies during a shoe.
    It's probably better to bring a lot more than you think you will need.

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    The sinking feeling of not having enough cash to finish a high count sucks. I've been there. I now always carry enough to make sure that never happens. CVCX is really useful for determining trip BR amounts. Set up your game and spread and then type how many hours you plan to play. It can show you what 3 standard deviations is. I always bring enough to cover that.

    Just from mentally musing over my worst shoes and sessions, I think the most I've ever lost in a single shoe was around 17 max bets. From this, I wouldn't start a shoe if I had less than 20 max bets on me.

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    20 max for each shoe sounds about right. I’ll head to the atm before I start a new shoe if I’m running low instead of hoping to get lucky. The stress with not having enough to finish a high count or split or double is not beneficial to game play


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    Quote Originally Posted by ferenc11 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_phantom View Post
    What if you are in a country with low denominated notes and anything above 10k is at least a one inch stack doesn’t even fit into any of those money wallets ........ T_T


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    To be honest, I don't carry as much when visiting local casinos or short trips. The point for me, as recreational player, is to never lose too much in a day and to not chase to get even. I play $10-$15 6 deck games and $25 DD games and I have about $3-4k in my pocket. This, whether I am in a casino in Las Vegas (I have more $$I leave in my safe) or at a local casino.

    Knowing yourself is key and I know I would feel miserable. My confidence would be shot, I will be irritable and I will make mistakes if I am down and have a $3k losing session. Thus, with the $3-$4k, I will play till I lose it all if it's a hot shoe in progress. Otherwise, I will leave when I have lost $2k, go take a break.

    Say you have lost 5+ max bets of $200 each, does winning that last max bet ($200 win) really make a difference?

    What happens to you, sometimes happens. I have split A's before against a bust card and received a 2 and a 7 on each and lost. Shit happens, don't fret. Do carry what you are most comfortable losing in any given single session, leave the rest at home, car or motel safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_phantom View Post
    20 max for each shoe sounds about right.
    Well, if follow this formula I would have to stay home as I mostly play DD with min $25 max $2000 so $40k is out of question, even with $15K for a day BR. I know my limit so should each player know his/her limit, no one size fit all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cc12b View Post
    Well, if follow this formula I would have to stay home as I mostly play DD with min $25 max $2000 so $40k is out of question, even with $15K for a day BR. I know my limit so should each player know his/her limit, no one size fit all.
    Wow, are you saying you spread 1:80 on double deck. I done that a few times in my life, but I sure don't make a habit of doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwjman View Post
    i usually carry enough to play a couple hours but sometimes i couldnt double down or split, because i didnt have enough cash.

    last time i was playing i raised my bet at TC +8 and i couldn't split my 2 aces and i got busted with 2 tens.

    how many units are you supposed to carry? should i just stop when my unit can't afford double down or split even when the count is high?
    You are not asking the important question. The question that is far more important is how much do I need to start a freshly shuffled pack to be certain I can bet and lose until the shuffle through an early monster count that has become my worst nightmare. If you don't have that much left, then your trip BR is busted and it is time to leave. The other important issue is you should bring twice as much as the most you have ever needed for a trip of that length. I will tell you I do a lot to control downswings but I try to have 500 minimum bets. This amount was not obtained by deciding that was enough minimum bets. It was determined through experience and could change with one very bad run. I recently called a trip BR busted with $4.5K left. That is almost 200 min bets. It is almost 50 units the way pros define units (pro unit is the amount bet with a 0.5% advantage).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cc12b View Post
    Well, if follow this formula I would have to stay home as I mostly play DD with min $25 max $2000 so $40k is out of question, even with $15K for a day BR. I know my limit so should each player know his/her limit, no one size fit all.
    I thought shoe games refer to 6 or 8 decks. With a couple of splits and doubles you can be down 10 max bets easy. Naturally you can adjust accordingly for your spread size and for a DD game. There’s no formula for this. Some people actually prefers to carry less and go home if they lose than keep battling through negative variance.


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