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    New member, first post, first question about how it is beatable in my country.

    Hello,

    my name's Andrea, from Italy. 30yo
    I am an ex texas hold'em NL pro player ( cash game 6-max, nl100 and nl200). I've stopped playing Hold'em in 2013 (was bored about it, and my edge still decreasing)
    I'm a psychologist.

    Some days ago, I've decided to study BJ. I read about it in some sites, and after some lurking, I bought a book, that I've studied (John Bukofsky, play Lke the pros, a complete guide).
    I don't know if it's the best book to begin, but reviews seemed good


    I had to adjust book basic strategy, 'cause the book talks about european BJ with some rules, but some are wrong (for ex, it's not true that here it can be double down only 9, T, A)

    Now, I know hi low method, I count a deck in 20 second, I went to casino to test, with minimum bet, my skill counting, and I'm able.

    But I'm afraid, and I'm not sure I'm not wasting my time studying a game unbeatable (in my country).

    In my 2 nearest casino, rules are:

    6 decks
    double down always allowed
    not early surrender (in one casino not surrender at all)
    dealer stand on S17
    dealer doesn't check with T and A until the end of the hand

    first 5 card in a new shoe are burned and players can't see them.
    the worst (in my newbie opinion): Cutting card is placed in THE MIDDLE, sometimes in 4/6, but it's rare.

    I studied how penetretion is important. And in my country it seems impossibile getting a good depth.

    So, I'm asking to you, if this kind of game is beatable, or if it's a suicide game.

    In my opinion it can be done, 'cause a positive true count anyway predicts high cards, althought the cut card is in the middle).
    The other obvious flip is that I know that deep penetretion allows more accuracy and more advantage.

    Thanks for reading.

    Ps.

    I'm new to the forum, and if this post already exists, I apologize

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    Ill let the Math guys really answer your question.
    Some people are raised or reminded that nothing is impossible. Most end up as degens... lol. Good luck with your journey.
    When a game is “unplayable.” Just remember there is probably (lol) someone who can destroy it. Its all in the cards. Some will “get lucky”, most definitely will not.

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    In its simplest form, 3/6 does not allow a frequency of true counts that will be profitable, sufficient to overcome the cost of your waiting bets.

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    Sorry, but my english sucks and it's difficult to recognize sarcasm for me.
    Is your answer: Yes, it's beatable? or that if someone tells that this kind of game is beatable, he's crazy and he'll ho broke soon or later?
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoGoCity View Post
    Sorry, but my english sucks and it's difficult to recognize sarcasm for me.
    Is your answer: Yes, it's beatable? or that if someone tells that this kind of game is beatable, he's crazy and he'll ho broke soon or later?
    Thanks
    If your referring to me, in suggesting you not waste your time. All of the parameters of your game we’re not stated. By 8nference, your game us ENHC with S17. There’s an arg7ment fir winging in/out, but yo7 won’t be 0kay8ng many hands. Further, you’re not seasoned enough, judging b6 your c9mments, to take advantage if game nuances.

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    Yes I'd say say if you studied up and really learned, then with some back counting/wonging you could make a mild profit with high variance and it would totally not be worth it

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    The house edge along is not worth beating. If the comp system is good, it can be done for free vacation, or free play money.

    ???? PACM00 ?? Tapatalk??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    If your referring to me, in suggesting you not waste your time. All of the parameters of your game we’re not stated. By 8nference, your game us ENHC with S17. There’s an arg7ment fir winging in/out, but yo7 won’t be 0kay8ng many hands. Further, you’re not seasoned enough, judging b6 your c9mments, to take advantage if game nuances.
    You truly need to have the courtesy to proofread your posts before sending them, especially to someone whose native language isn't English. The above is an abomination, even by your (rather low) standards.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    You truly need to have the courtesy to proofread your posts before sending them, especially to someone whose native language isn't English. The above is an abomination, even by your (rather low) standards.

    Don
    I read that after the fact, and unfortunatelly, I have to agree - not for the courtesy of proofreading, but for the abomination. That was pretty shitty. I meant well.

    However, I will endeavor to improve, and correspondingly, catch you in some egregious error

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    No disrespect, Freightman, but I think Don will win the Battle of the Proofreaders competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoGoCity View Post
    I had to adjust book basic strategy, 'cause the book talks about european BJ with some rules, but some are wrong (for ex, it's not true that here it can be double down only 9, T, A)

    In my 2 nearest casino, rules are:

    6 decks
    double down always allowed
    not early surrender (in one casino not surrender at all)
    dealer stand on S17
    dealer doesn't check with T and A until the end of the hand
    Here is link to basic strategy for your game.
    https://www.blackjackinfo.com/blackj...urr=ns&peek=no

    Looks like house edge is 0.55%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    No disrespect, Freightman, but I think Don will win the Battle of the Proofreaders competition.
    I kind of made that one easy for him.

    I was referring to him making an egregious error on play or math or advice - one which would produce righteous indignation from the masses - an offensive faux pas misleading the herd - a malfunction at his junction - the spoken word before the thought.

    A seemingly innocent response requiring a public correction. After all, on the Bimah, one must be perfect.

    https://www.chabad.org/library/artic...e-Platform.htm

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    Ok. It seems acceptable, It isn't?
    But with the cutting card in the Middle of the show, my possibile equity decreases drammatically

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