New member, first post, first question about how it is beatable in my country.

**DSchles** · 10-20-2018, 02:57 PM

"After all, on the Bimah, one must be perfect."

It was a long time ago, but you should know that I aced my portions of my kids' Bat and Bar Mitzvahs.

Don

**Stealth** · 10-20-2018, 02:58 PM

When evaluating this game for playability, I would first use CVCX to determine SCORE and be led by the answer.

If I saw the game penetration was not 1.5 decks or less behind the cut card then I would not play the game UNLESS I could backcount and enter at will playing only positive true counts. A very difficult protocol to get away with.

Deciding to play at any pen must include an aggressive program of "wonging out" in negative counts to both minimize variance and protect EV.

Sometimes the highest EV available when evaluating a game to be attacked is to not play.

**GoGoCity** · 10-20-2018, 03:00 PM

BJ is difficult.
Ti understand another language, is difficult too.
Ti understand BJ equity in another language, is more difficult.
To understand in the middle of a discussion about forum education, become impossible to me.

If someone can help me, 4 ex. with another betting strategy (avoiding waiting bets, I think), or learning three levels count, I don't know.

Someone say that this kind of game is no worth, some other that house equity is 0.55, some other that I'd changing bet strategy but I can't 'cause I'm not seasoned (it's true, but I study a lot)...

So... My idea, newbie idea, is:
Penetretion is important, but a postive true count is a positive true count.
Surely, It needs more time, more shuffles, to get a positive tc, and variance will be higher. But changing the betting spread, the table approach, can I have a decent positive EV?

Don't Be skeptic about how complexity.
I'm able to understand, poker was too complex too, more complex maybe

**GoGoCity** · 10-20-2018, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Stealth

When evaluating this game for playability, I would first use CVCX to detrermine SCORE and be led by the answer.

If I saw the game penetration was not 1.5 decks or less behind the cut card then I would not play the game UNLESS I could backcount and enter at will playing only positive true counts. A very difficult protocol to get away with.

Deciding to play at any pen must include an aggressive program of "wonging out" in negative counts to both minimize variance and protect EV.

Sometimes the highest EV available when evaluating a game to be attacked is to not play.

THANKS.

Backcount is an option 4 me. I can do It.

I don't know what's wonging out, I'll learn about It.

I'm thinking about not playing, Yes. And I want evaluate online BJ.

Thanks 4 answers

**Freightman** · 10-20-2018, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by DSchles

"After all, on the Bimah, one must be perfect."

It was a long time ago, but you should know that I aced my portions of my kids' Bat and Bar Mitzvahs.

Don

I aced my kids Torah portions. In fact, this weeks parshah, Lech Lecha, is one that I have done a few times over the years.

**GoGoCity** · 10-20-2018, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Stealth

When evaluating this game for playability, I would first use CVCX to determine SCORE and be led by the answer.

If I saw the game penetration was not 1.5 decks or less behind the cut card then I would not play the game UNLESS I could backcount and enter at will playing only positive true counts. A very difficult protocol to get away with.

Deciding to play at any pen must include an aggressive program of "wonging out" in negative counts to both minimize variance and protect EV.

Sometimes the highest EV available when evaluating a game to be attacked is to not play.

Sorry 4 my consequent posts...

I've search
Wonging in and out means to entry in play and get out in a current shoe (and not only in the beginning)

In my country it's allowed, without problems.

I'll try with backcount, and wonging in with positive true count, and wonging out with negative.

Here, players can play without sitting, I don't know if in other countries is different

Thanks

**21forme** · 10-20-2018, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

I aced my kids Torah portions

Transliteration?

**Freightman** · 10-20-2018, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

I aced my kids Torah portions. In fact, this weeks parshah, Lech Lecha, is one that I have done a few times over the years.

In fact, what I vividly recall at my younger sons Bar Mitzvah, I gave my father (very poor at Hebrew, I trained him) the Levi Aliyah, so we had an Achron Aliyah, so my older son could participate, after which my younger boy said maftir - so, 3 Levite’s, my 2 sons and I, on the bimah together.

It would have been a great picture, but since it was Shabbos, it’s a nice memory.

**Freightman** · 10-20-2018, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by 21forme

Transliteration?

Included with explanation

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech-Lecha

**Letangs** · 10-20-2018, 03:59 PM

Little question but...

How many BJ tables are available in your local casinos ?

If you have 1, 2, or 3 tables available (which is something I wouldn’t be surprised of, in Italy) then you can forget about wong-in / wong-out. You’d be identified as a card counter in a few minuts, and depending on the size of your bets, given a tap on the shoulder and showed the exit pretty quickly. Nobody would enter/exit a table after a few hands, and re-enter again a pair of hands later, without going noticed. Only counters do that. It works in crowded casinos with a lot of BJ tables, but not when you have only 1 or 2 BJ tables ...

**stopgambling** · 10-20-2018, 05:06 PM

All those places have been burnt by Pros i assume. I definitely would not count in those games you mentioned GoGocity unless there is some kind of rebates , other parameters . Even if you can master a higher count like hi opt2 and side counting 7 and aces( there's more complex counts to try) for 6 decks won't help you much in this situation . You also have to worry about heat . You may need to learn more about how to win at Blackjack.

**GoGoCity** · 10-21-2018, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by stopgambling

All those places have been burnt by Pros i assume. I definitely would not count in those games you mentioned GoGocity unless there is some kind of rebates , other parameters . Even if you can master a higher count like hi opt2 and side counting 7 and aces( there's more complex counts to try) for 6 decks won't help you much in this situation . You also have to worry about heat . You may need to learn more about how to win at Blackjack.

I'd like 2 learn other methods to win at bj. It Need more time, but I can wait and study a lot before playing. But I Will only if other strategy allows to win in my local caisinos.

N' of table. Yeah. There aren't a lot of BJ in my country.. But it's usual seeing people (fishes, stupid players) who bets, then waits, then bets again, at the same table, standing up.

Questions:

I understand that I have wonging out when count becomes negative.
But to wonging in, do I have to start a new shoe, waiting the count becomes positive? Or can I wonging in at table in which shoe han Just started?

**Letangs** · 10-21-2018, 04:03 PM

But to wonging in, do I have to start a new shoe, waiting the count becomes positive?

Wong-in means entering a shoe which has started already, when the count is positive (and you have that information by back-counting, meaning counting as a spectator, not playing). Wong-out means leaving the shoe when the count isn't high enough for you to have an advantage over the game, not waiting until the end of the shoe and playing with a bad expectation).

To sum it up, the concept of "Wong in / Wong out" is pretty much to play ONLY when you have an advantage over the game.

Try to read some documentation (this site has loads) to get familiar with these terms and their concept (or best, read Stanford Wong's book "Professional Blackjack").

Hope I've been clear, English isn't my native language either.