New member, first post, first question about how it is beatable in my country.

[DSchles]

But to wonging in, do I have to start a new shoe, waiting the count becomes positive?


Wong-in means entering a shoe which has started already, when the count is positive (and you have that information by back-counting, meaning counting as a spectator, not playing). Wong-out means leaving the shoe when the count isn't high enough for you to have an advantage over the game, not waiting until the end of the shoe and playing with a bad expectation).

To sum it up, the concept of "Wong in / Wong out" is pretty much to play ONLY when you have an advantage over the game.

Try to read some documentation (this site has loads) to get familiar with these terms and their concept (or best, read Stanford Wong's book "Professional Blackjack").

Hope I've been clear, English isn't my native language either.

You didn't answer the question, which was, when you Wong in, must you have started backcounting the shoe from the very beginning, right after the shuffle, or may you begin backcounting after the shoe has already begun (but near the beginning)?

And the answer, of course, is that, while the former is preferable, the latter is also acceptable, if you just mentally place the cards that you missed at the back of the shoe.

Don

[Letangs]

You didn't answer the question, which was, when you Wong in, must you have started backcounting the shoe from the very beginning, right after the shuffle, or may you begin backcounting after the shoe has already begun (but near the beginning)?

And the answer, of course, is that, while the former is preferable, the latter is also acceptable, if you just mentally place the cards that you missed at the back of the shoe.

Don

Hey Don,

I got it now, had to read twice to understand what he meant, and I think you got it right and I didn't. But on the previous page he didn't seem familiar with the concept of Wi/Wo, so I feel like leaving my message instead of removing it cannot hurt the OP even if I'm off-topic on that precise question if you don't mind.

[DSchles]

Hey Don,

I got it now, had to read twice to understand what he meant, and I think you got it right and I didn't. But on the previous page he didn't seem familiar with the concept of Wi/Wo, so I feel like leaving my message instead of removing it cannot hurt the OP even if I'm off-topic on that precise question if you don't mind.

Sure, no problem. The two answers together pretty much cover the concept.

Go to sleep; it's late!

Don

[Gramazeka]

GoGoCity, hand shuffle ? Casino have money ? What the max bet ?

[GoGoCity]

Thanks Don and thanks Letangs.
Yep, my question was that: if a strategy of w in and w in can include the possibilty, when I w out from a table, to go to another One already started, and after counting a few hands, if count is positive, to bet (but sounds like "following the flow, not counting properly).
I don't understand what Don said about "mentally place the missed cards".

I don't understand the strategy.
New shoe: I backcount, I w in when positive, and w out when negative. So, I can continue ho count the same table, and w in again if becomes positive again, or I can ho ti another.
4 exemple, in the other table has been dealt 1,5 deck yet. In this situations, without knowing current count, how do I have to do?
Avoid the table and looking 4 an other?

Can I think about It in terms of dealt decks?
If Yes, what is your advice as "acceptable" Number of dealt decks to start counting in a shoe already started?

Thanks 4 advice about the wong book, I'll get It asap

[GoGoCity]

GoGoCity, hand shuffle ? Casino have money ? What the max bet ?

2 casinos closer to me.
In One, hand shuffles.
In the other the same, but there is a second dealer Who shuffles, optimizing time

Bet. I don't remember, I think minimum 5 max 200
In tables with minimum 10, 400 maximum. But I'm not sure about It.

[Purplemoon]

Sorry, but my english sucks and it's difficult to recognize sarcasm for me.
Is your answer: Yes, it's beatable? or that if someone tells that this kind of game is beatable, he's crazy and he'll ho broke soon or later?
Thanks

Ciao GogoCity,

What Freightman is saying is that if you just watch and don't play, you can keep the count and only enter the game when it is profitable i.e positive true counts. Otherwise it will cost you money minimum betting all the time because the profitable edge will be in favour of the casino for too much of the time while you wait for that true count (t.c)... just when it is arriving the plastic cut card comes out... this technique of watching until it is profitable is called "wonging in" it's named after Stanford Wong who wrote Proffessional Blackjack, a great book that you should buy.

I've been playing in Western Europe for two years and it is very bad, either C.S.Ms (continuous shuffle machines) or really bad penetration.

In bocca lupo per il tuo apprendimento e ci vediamo in Vegas baby! Or maybe eastern Europe... hmmm..

[cottage cheese]

I aced my kids Torah portions. In fact, this weeks parshah, Lech Lecha, is one that I have done a few times over the years.

That's my bar mitzvah parshah (seems like it may be yours too). but seeing how it took me over six months to prepare for it, you'd never catch me leining again. (well, you'd never catch me in shul again to begin with.)

[cottage cheese]

You truly need to have the courtesy to proofread your posts before sending them, especially to someone whose native language isn't English. The above is an abomination, even by your (rather low) standards.

Don

"If your referring to me, in suggesting you not waste your time. All of the parameters of your game we’re not stated. By 8nference, your game us ENHC with S17. There’s an arg7ment fir winging in/out, but yo7 won’t be 0kay8ng many hands. Further, you’re not seasoned enough, judging b6 your c9mments, to take advantage if game nuances."

missed a couple there, don

(yes, my self-esteem really is that low)

[DSchles]

"If your referring to me, in suggesting you not waste your time. All of the parameters of your game we’re not stated. By 8nference, your game us ENHC with S17. There’s an arg7ment fir winging in/out, but yo7 won’t be 0kay8ng many hands. Further, you’re not seasoned enough, judging b6 your c9mments, to take advantage if game nuances."

missed a couple there, don

(yes, my self-esteem really is that low)

Shows you how tough accurate proofreading is. Thankless task.

Don

[21forme]

Shows you how tough accurate proofreading is. Thankless task.

There should be an app for that.

[Freightman]

Shows you how tough accurate proofreading is. Thankless task.

Don

I’m coming after you, Balboa.

https://youtu.be/Cwgw-lMIIXg

[GoGoCity]

Ciao GogoCity,

What Freightman is saying is that if you just watch and don't play, you can keep the count and only enter the game when it is profitable i.e positive true counts. Otherwise it will cost you money minimum betting all the time because the profitable edge will be in favour of the casino for too much of the time while you wait for that true count (t.c)... just when it is arriving the plastic cut card comes out... this technique of watching until it is profitable is called "wonging in" it's named after Stanford Wong who wrote Proffessional Blackjack, a great book that you should buy.

I've been playing in Western Europe for two years and it is very bad, either C.S.Ms (continuous shuffle machines) or really bad penetration.

In bocca lupo per il tuo apprendimento e ci vediamo in Vegas baby! Or maybe eastern Europe... hmmm..

Thanks you.
I'm still reading Wong's book.
Yep, in my country penetretion is bad, but I'll W w +TC. I'll try.

Althought, it's possibile to backcount playing online.
I'm looking 4 good BJ sites.

Ciao