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Thread: 8,8 v 6 @ TC=2+ ... sPlit or Double?

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    8,8 v 6 @ TC=2+ ... sPlit or Double?

    ***SORRY, TITLE SHOULD READ 4,4 v 6..... (couldn't figure out how to edit the title).


    Three helped me before in a previous thread:

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...ferrerid=18478

    where he provided the hierarchy of decisions…
    Yes there is a decision hierarchy procedure.
    1) Insurance
    2) Surrender
    3) Split
    4) Double
    5) Hit/stand


    but Three pointed out that pair of 5's is an anomaly of that hierarchy.


    Related to that context, I have a similar question / issue but now with 8v5 & 8v6. I've recently added to my indices the 8v5 (dbl at TC=4+) and 8v6 (dbl at TC=2+) to my index arsenal (indices derived by Norm's CVData "index generation" feature). However, the BS play for 4,4v5 and 4,4v6 is sPlit.

    So when I have either a 4,4v5 or 4,4v6 what should I do... sPlit as the hierarchy that Three provided shows (because sPlit trumps the Double)? Or, Double as my recent index addition says to (albeit related to a total score of 8, NOT 4,4)? (I suspect the answer is to sPlit per the hierarchy, but would like confirmation from the Pros)

    (Note: I cannot verify by simulation the difference by using the Composition Dependent feature in Norm’s CVCX because in the sPlit table the C.D. is not an option, and in the “Hard Hit / Stand” table it does not differentiate for a value of 8 (it combines 2 – 10).
    Also, interestingly, Wong’s ’94 Basic Hi Lo has "no split" for 4,4v5 or 6 at any index.)

    Thanks in advance.
    Last edited by SteinMeister; 10-14-2018 at 12:43 PM.

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    DAS or NoDAS?

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    Split if DAS, double if index is met with nDAS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shipthecookies View Post
    das or nodas?
    h17, 4.5/6 das, rsa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    Split if DAS, double if index is met with nDAS.
    Thanks Bubbles.

    Just curious, where / how did you determine this? I thought I could simulate and identify the best move, but have not figured out how.

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    Split.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteinMeister View Post
    Just curious, where / how did you determine this?
    I don't recall where it's written, but split always overrides double, if both are options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    I don't recall where it's written, but split always overrides double, if both are options.
    Are you saying it is better to split fives than double. What basic strategy chart are you using?

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    For Hilo always split 4,4 v 5 or 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Are you saying it is better to split fives than double. What basic strategy chart are you using?
    To repeat, with emphasis, split always overrides double, IF both are options.
    Show me a BS or index chart that tells you to split 5s.

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    It seems that everyone agrees (including the master of masters) w/ the hierarchy (which Three provided before):

    1) Insurance
    2) Surrender
    3) Split
    4) Double
    5) Hit/stand

    So 4,4 v 5 (or 6) = sPlit.

    Thanks everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteinMeister View Post
    1) Insurance
    2) Surrender
    It's always interesting doing both of these on the same hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    It's always interesting doing both of these on the same hand.
    One does get looked at as weird when it is done

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