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    Would you consider this smart or plain stupid ?

    Let’s imagine you played for 2/3 hours with a 1/10 spread.

    To make it easy, let’s pretend you play min bet 10$ and max bet 100$.

    You earned let’s say 500$ of profit. And you’re about to leave because you’re tired (or any other reason).

    You tell loudly «*ok, last shoe and I go*»
    And at that precise shoe, the count gets gigantic. Let’s say a +8 TC or something like that, towards the end of the shoe before the shuffle.

    Would you consider it stupid to make a All-in and put your 500$ earned chips on play ? Or rather smart ? As you’re now playing (okay, just one hand) on a 1-50 spread ?

    Your bankroll makes no difference as you’re only playing with profits on that precise play.

    What’s your opinion on that ?

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    If you consider yourself an AP, think of your play as one long session. it doesn't matter what happens with one hand, or in one day. One reason not to do an all-in, but better to do one-half all-in is in case you have a double or split.

    I know English is not your native language, so just a few corrections on your post:
    Using / implies a fraction. So 2/3 hours = 40 minutes. It is better to express what you mean by 2-3 hours (and 1-10 spread).
    Also, unlike €, $ goes before the number, not after. So it is correct to write as $500.

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    I think it depends on the casino you're playing in. If you want cover to look like a ploppy cos you'll be going back I'd tend to do as 21forme suggested. If not, just leave with all your profits after you've played the last part of the shoe as normal...

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    Stupid. See post #2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    If you consider yourself an AP, think of your play as one long session. it doesn't matter what happens with one hand, or in one day. One reason not to do an all-in, but better to do one-half all-in is in case you have a double or split.

    I know English is not your native language, so just a few corrections on your post:
    Using / implies a fraction. So 2/3 hours = 40 minutes. It is better to express what you mean by 2-3 hours (and 1-10 spread).
    Also, unlike €, $ goes before the number, not after. So it is correct to write as $500.
    Hello 21forme.

    Yeah I'm not british nor american, I was not aware of the typing-standard for $ and spreads. However, you understood so that's what counts.

    You would consider making a $250 bet a not necessarily stupid play ?
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    I can think of an instance when this play is OK, albeit a couple of the assumptions still bother me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Letangs View Post
    Let’s imagine you played for 2/3 hours with a 1/10 spread.
    The thought of playing 2 or 3 hours sends shivers down my spine.


    Quote Originally Posted by Letangs View Post
    Your bankroll makes no difference as you’re only playing with profits on that precise play.

    Actually, your bankroll makes all of the difference here. If you are playing at a place that can not stand your normal level of play - this is one way of raising your EV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letangs View Post
    Your bankroll makes no difference as you’re only playing with profits on that precise play.
    That's ploppy talk. Play it the same way you'd play any other +8.

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    What would Jimmy Buffett do, I mean Zee?

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    Bankroll does matter if you play long term and rely on the BJ earnings to make a living. If you have a highly replenishable bankroll(OK to ruin bankroll), then it's okay to do something crazy to generate the highest EV possible.
    I would suggest not to all in on one hand, but spread to 7 hands of smaller units, also save some money for double/split/insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    What would Jimmy Buffett do, I mean Zee?
    Zee, when up, ensures he is going home happy so he would never risk the entire profit for the day. If I am up $500, I would bet $200, hope I dont have to split. For me, its just not the long run that matters, short term matters just as much.

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    This is where nzero comes in . you wanna gamble ? Then you would bet "all over the place" with your max bets . Make sure why you are doing that though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letangs View Post
    Hello 21forme.

    Yeah I'm not british nor american, I was not aware of the typing-standard for $ and spreads. However, you understood so that's what counts.

    You would consider making a $250 bet a not necessarily stupid play ?
    Yes, I understood, but just mentioning those things so you can learn from it. Not being critical.

    About the $250 bet, if your bankroll can support a bet like that, no reason not to do it. However, don't overbet your bankroll, and don't base your bet on the win/loss result of one session. It is meaningless.

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    I agree with 21forme that you should consider all your play as one long session and hence the bankroll considerations should apply to all your money regardless if you just one them or not. Having said that, what you described is a smart move in some situations such as in sweaty casinos. Let us say that a casino will sweat a $100 max bet. So, instead of playing 5 hands, in positive counts, of $100 over 30 min or so, you can stand up, put your jacket on and play just $500 and leave. The EV is the same (not the variance of course) but the heat is much less, as the casino has much less time to react and your departure makes less painful.

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