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    Cheating in Macedonia, "Le Grand Casino".

    Casino use a variation of the shuffle called the "Dovetail". Game the Black Jack, 7 decks.

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    i also confirm it !there are two casino legrand in skopia-makedonia.one in bitola town near the borders with greece and one in the capital.i was in the first one loosing heavy.all begin before one year when the owner of the casino an Australian guy died and the management was changed.they brought new manager and pit boss and they start experiment with various shuffle and trained all the dealers to a specific dealing prosesure of how to pick up the cards.also they went in seven decks instead of six that they were using.that place was visit by every single counter of Europe and Cyprus because of the early surrender on the ace.most of the people that I spoke with they had heavy unexplained losses
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    Can you explain more about the dovetail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefan View Post
    most of the people that I spoke with they had heavy unexplained losses
    What is the difference between unexplained losses and explained losses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    What is the difference between unexplained losses and explained losses?
    Sur Ace, loose 3 Sigma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackJackAgain View Post
    Can you explain more about the dovetail?
    Google and YouTube to help...
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    Dovetail shuffle originally meant just shuffle and riffle. But now a days it can mean specific shuffle method to keep slug' contents and orders. I personally visited both casinos and I observed comparatively big clumps(small cards and big cards are separated in some sense) and 2 dealers did it on purpose = I am rather good tracker so it works in favor to me,,,but pity straight counters at the same table ( from Greece) lost big and cried.
    When I won little bit and left one of the counter said you are good..ahaha,and the lady dealer on charge said to him Yes this is the best player who come to this casino.
    I was not happy to hear this conversation,,cas stupid Greek said this to pull my legs,,and the dealer knew I can see what they do...it is not only riffle and shuffle but 2 of them plugs small cards and big cards in separated possision=
    Imagine if you dont know where are the big cards you will never have good game nor black jack on max bet. Bitola casino's shuffle is harder and it is impossible to track for normal trackers( ofcas Gramazeka can and I can)
    . but the grand has easier shuffle. any way I won small and banned last year so this info is rather old,,,,but I tell you you should not play straight count in these casinos,,u can lose and can be banned too.
    they dont have money and no risk.

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    Dont care about shuffle if you are not good tracker. They make big clumps of small cards and big cards and they may keep those clumps. How? Please look at how they put played cards on distray. they sometimes plug especially BJ hands and TT=20.
    So it is dangerous game if you dont know where is the big cards clump. any way these casinos know well about card counting and ban you easy too...so no worth trying

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    Ola, very good posts ! +1000
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    Three when i say unexplained loses i mean swings above -3 SD and after allmost 1000 hours of play -e.v on the bank roll.i am happy that some people bring this matter up bacause a lot of people lost their sirts there.and ofcorse dont u think that is something that happens only there.general in europe this technik is applied to many casinos.the only solution that i discover to this kind of shuffle -cheating was to mimic the dealers act.by that way i dont know if u have the advantage in anytime but for sure u will loose less than straight cardcounting

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    I just wanted to make sure you weren't one of those that think they are cheated every time they lose. Plus or minus 3SD or more does happen but it is cause for concern as it is very rare. The explanations are you are either very unlucky, being cheated, or making mistakes that you don't know about (or your sim you base your assessment on isn't right).

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    Rereading this, it's not that common to see specific discards (well, a specific pickup) being plugged rather than topped. Actually very rare.
    Relating to another thread, I have seen this in Curacao, though not in the Princess/Hilton...

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