Three seems to want validation very badly, and he seems to have a need to slur those do not agree with him. My way or the highway.Originally Posted by ZeeBabar
Not everyone has the same goals. Some want to make a living playing cards, some want comps and free vacations, some just want to tell others what to do.
There are many destinations and many roads that will get one there.
Try saying I do everything wrong and am very lucky to be way above my negative EV. Please don't follow my failed example. I can now only play crap games because I am in OSN and everywhere I go they know it. If it weren't for playing primarily in a state that can't back counters off using a losing game I would hardly be able to play. You do realize that you probably get worse conditions when you play than the table would have if you weren't playing unless they evaluated your play using computer analysis and decided you are mathematically playing a losing game. So either you get worse conditions when you play or they know it is a matter of time before you see your normal losing results and they are happy to be the casino you give all your winnings back to. As long as you advise newbies to do what you do by posting your results without saying you are way above your expected losing record and the few that got suckered into thinking your advice is good and keep saying you give good advise, experienced forum members that know the truth will be there to correct you and your supporters. Why don't you post your EV? Oh yeah, you don't have the software to know you are playing a losing game and base your belief that you are playing a winning game by your results which in a lifetime of play will still be an insignificant sampling too small to draw any conclusions from.
I tell the truth about those that give very bad advice. I praise many that have different ideas and disagree with me most of the time. What the latter disagrees with is what winning technique is preferable, not trying to get people to follow bad advice by posting anecdotal evidence. If Zee isn't giving advice, what is the purpose of his posts that everyone else takes as giving advice? I guess there is a high likelihood he is trolling a bunch of lies given his history here and on many other sites.
Three, I understand where you’re coming from and for the serious player it makes sense. My game has got better and I have become more disciplined because of your advice and this forum. But I also understand where Zee is coming from. I like a lot of his advice too and enjoy his trip reports. He speaks for the average recreational AP who enjoys bj, and wants to win some money but has other things going on in his life so he can’t dedicte every waking moment to it. So you’re right, this type of player won’t know about unique AP opportunities since they haven’t developed a network. But they can still enjoy the game and the casino experience, and learn from people on this forum.
I know I’ve encounted some of the same situations Zee has encountered so it’s good to see other people don’t respond like a robot. I have also not hit some hands that I probably should have hit because I didn’t want to upset the ploppies if I should happen to take the “bust card” from the dealer. An example is not hiting 12 vs 6 in a minus -2 count. Sometimes it’s not worth dealing with the aggrevation of upsetting the table only for a minor improvement in EV. Btw, I always make the correct play when I’m in a postive count and have a bigger bet out there...but with some of the negative counts, I’ll just stay with basic stratgy when I know a deviation play will upset the table.
The take away is everybody has different goals. I think it’s clear what Zee’s goal is and it’s clear what your goal is. You both give good advice. You need to give the newbees some credit for being discerning enough to know what advice to take for their game and their objectives.
I played recreationally as a counter for decades. I always try to do the best that I can do at anything I do. Maybe some people are just wired to be underachievers. I just can't relate to it, since I could never put in a weak effort when doing something. I may be an subpar at something but that isn't from a lack of effort to get better and do the best that I can. I don't see how anyone can enjoy putting in a half assed effort when doing something. That is not recreation, that is something to be ashamed of. How can shame be recreation? Do some people enjoy feeling ashamed about their efforts in life? I know some people go through life doing that with everything they do but I don't understand how they could do that to begin with, and how they could enjoy doing it. I guess it takes all types including lazy underachievers that get through life by other peoples effort. There is always someone that hides when the team needs to do work. I guess that guy is a Zee stereotype. Some people enjoy working hard for the team, others work hard but grouse about it the entire time, and some don't put any effort into anything they do and go through life leaching off what others do.
The same people will complain if you don't hit and the dealer makes a hand and the next card is the bust card. You can't please them so why try to.
Apparently it is to spend so much time in the casino that he gets blackbooked even though he is playing a losing game and every casino should welcome him with open arms. He could win his goal in a fraction of the time thus avoiding the exposure that gets him blackbooked and allowing hi to spend more time with his family. But he is a self-professed gambling addict and he wants to feed that monkey rather than limit its impact on his life. That means making stupid decisions so he can protect being allowed to play. That means only playing games that are so bad that they don't care if he plays. But he can play as much as he wants at crappy games because casinos like drop more than hold. Zee contributes to drop without much of a threat on a table's hold since he can now only play shit games. The suits like that.
MWP, yes there was some flawed thinking.
Your advantage on the next round is the same regardless of how many people are at the table. Bet appropriately.
While there's nothing wrong with playing at a full table, you may want to not do that in future. Why do you play? If it's for fun, full tables can be fun. It's fine to sit at them. If you play to make money, full tables are not where you should be. You will still make about the same per round, but your hourly win rate will suck. I play for both fun and money. I'll sit at a full table, but never on a 50% pen game.
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This sounds like the meatheads in the gym who think that everyone should be able to bench 405 lbs or squat 550, and if they don't they are punks. Not everyone needs to do this if simply being stronger and healthier is the goal. In fact, handling more weight than one should can be harmful.
Just because someone has different goals than you doesn't mean they are lazy or stupid. It simply means they do not share the same goals.
You used the word "I" 11 times in the paragraph you wrote that I quoted from. Working hard for the team, are you? There is no "I" in team, pal. Narcissist, however, has two of them.
+1 +1 +1 this. All of this. Thank you.This sounds like the meatheads in the gym who think that everyone should be able to bench 405 lbs or squat 550, and if they don't they are punks. Not everyone needs to do this if simply being stronger and healthier is the goal. In fact, handling more weight than one should can be harmful.
Just because someone has different goals than you doesn't mean they are lazy or stupid. It simply means they do not share the same goals.
You used the word "I" 11 times in the paragraph you wrote that I quoted from. Working hard for the team, are you? There is no "I" in team, pal. Narcissist, however, has two of them.
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I always thought this one a dumb comment. Every team anyone is a member of has one I from each persons perspective but the word team has no "i"s. The ones that work hard to make the team be its best are the ones that don't think in terms of I. The ones that want to skate by and win because of the hard work of other people while they don't even try are the ones that have no I on the team.
I guess the point that a person tends to put the same effort into everything he/she does went right over your heads. Some people are naturally competing against themselves to do their best at everything. While others are competing against others to see who can do the enough with the least amount of effort. People are just wired to be who they are unless they do something to change that. Unfortunately more and more of the younger people strive for instant gratification rather than putting work in to get what they want. Usually they just want to get by. It is sad how things deteriorated from almost everyone working hard to get what they want. The feeling was nobody is going to hand me anything in life so I am going to have to work hard to get mine, but now most people feel a sense of entitlement and don't want to work to get what they want or need. I guess people of the former generation will never understand the people of the latter generations.
Oh hell, I don't even want middle management. Leave me out of management entirely. I don't want the headache. Some people look at me like I have three heads when I say I have no desire to climb the corporate ladder. I went to school to do the job I do. I am happy with what I've achieved and wish to maintain it. I consider myself successful.
Not everyone has the same goals. Just because I have no desire to manage or work in a different field does not mean I didn't take my learning seriously. The attrition in college for my field is extremely high. I graduated on time and tied the top three in my class.
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