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    Combining RPC (or hi-lo) and Ace-Five

    I have been using a combination of RPC (one might use hi-lo instead) and ace-five, such that I potentiate the bet increases dictated by RPC if the ace-five count is two or more. My local casino offers ENHC, DAS, no surrender, resplit aces or others endlessly, about 80% penetration, 6 decks, S17.

    Am I wasting my time with this added procedure?
    If there is value to the combination of RPC and ace-five, is there a better approach, such as the sum of TC and ace-five as a modified TC (perhaps only if ace-five is non-negative)?

    thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BothRPCA5 View Post
    I have been using a combination of RPC (one might use hi-lo instead) and ace-five, such that I potentiate the bet increases dictated by RPC if the ace-five count is two or more. My local casino offers ENHC, DAS, no surrender, resplit aces or others endlessly, about 80% penetration, 6 decks, S17.

    Am I wasting my time with this added procedure?
    If there is value to the combination of RPC and ace-five, is there a better approach, such as the sum of TC and ace-five as a modified TC (perhaps only if ace-five is non-negative)?

    thank you.
    What vexed you to do such a thing? What computations/simulations have been performed to indicate that the method you are using is better than straight-up single-paramter counting?

    If you are going to do two counts, why not side count the Ace and the Ace only? Pick a point count, side count the Ace, adjust betting/playing decisions based on the surplus/deficit Ace against the system you are using, and make money there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogman_1234 View Post
    What vexed you to do such a thing? What computations/simulations have been performed to indicate that the method you are using is better than straight-up single-paramter counting?

    If you are going to do two counts, why not side count the Ace and the Ace only? Pick a point count, side count the Ace, adjust betting/playing decisions based on the surplus/deficit Ace against the system you are using, and make money there?
    I was/am betting that there might be an incremental value to adding the weak ace-five system (with its focus on the nominally best single cards for dealer and player) to RPC. I assume that any benefit to ace-five lies in the difference between the number of aces and fives seen, which would not be captured by the respective card weightings in RPC or other systems.

    You might well be right that an ace side count would be better than ana ace-five side count, but I hoped that someone on the board had some evidence one way or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BothRPCA5 View Post
    You might well be right that an ace side count would be better than ana ace-five side count, but I hoped that someone on the board had some evidence one way or the other.
    By using software like CVData you can simulate various count systems to confirm their veracity. Qfit.com offers the software and has some documentaiton in the "free book" (good read) regarding such.

    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    By using software like CVData you can simulate various count systems to confirm their veracity. Qfit.com offers the software and has some documentaiton in the "free book" (good read) regarding such.

    Good luck.
    Thank you for your suggestion.
    Unfortunately, RPC and ace-five do not appear in the CVData demo options, and I am keen to learn other board members thoughts on my question.

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    If you can keep 2 simultaneous counts, albeit 1 being very weak, specifically to target the 5 and ace, learn halves, which incorporates the 5 with its own unique value, and side count aces. Now, you can be a lean mean counting machine.

    For increased accuracy on your ace side count, research the regaled underground FBM ASC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BothRPCA5 View Post
    Thank you for your suggestion.
    Unfortunately, RPC and ace-five do not appear in the CVData demo options, and I am keen to learn other board members thoughts on my question.
    The CVData demo is for learning what the software can do. It uses an altered deck so results are inaccurate and should not be used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    If you can keep 2 simultaneous counts, albeit 1 being very weak, specifically to target the 5 and ace, learn halves, which incorporates the 5 with its own unique value, and side count aces. Now, you can be a lean mean counting machine.

    For increased accuracy on your ace side count, research the regaled underground FBM ASC.
    Freightman,
    Thank you. I will look into both of your suggestions.
    In addition, I remain eager to hear from other board members about my RPC+Ace-Five question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    The CVData demo is for learning what the software can do. It uses an altered deck so results are inaccurate and should not be used.
    Three, thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    If you can keep 2 simultaneous counts, albeit 1 being very weak, specifically to target the 5 and ace, learn halves, which incorporates the 5 with its own unique value, and side count aces. Now, you can be a lean mean counting machine.

    For increased accuracy on your ace side count, research the regaled underground FBM ASC.
    Freightman,
    qfit reports that wong halves and RPC have similar BC, PE, and insurance correlation.
    Do you have a link to your (?) FBM ASC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BothRPCA5 View Post
    Freightman,
    qfit reports that wong halves and RPC have similar BC, PE, and insurance correlation.
    Do you have a link to your (?) FBM ASC?
    Excellent thread on the topic
    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...for-Free/page2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    The CVData demo is for learning what the software can do. It uses an altered deck so results are inaccurate and should not be used.
    I believe the only difference in the Demo version "is that" it counts all the 5s as if they were 6s.. Though not accurate the results are somewhat close..
    http://bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi

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