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    What about Biloxi/Shreveport?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcallister3200 View Post
    What about Biloxi/Shreveport?
    Yes, there, too...if you can't skillfully spread 1-11 @ a quarter shoe with no cover....just quit playing ..waste of time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    What evidence do you have off this? ...let alone is is $25 min 6-8 deck shoes...

    NONE!!!
    You would be wrong.

    I counted the damn things.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    As mentioned..NO Vegas or AC either, pal
    What information I have and what I choose to share are generally different on forums and certainly are in this case.

    My post was based on facts not speculation.

    Asking me how I know is one thing, telling me I am lying is another, suggest you rethink your position.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    What information I have and what I choose to share are generally different on forums and certainly are in this case.

    My post was based on facts not speculation.

    Asking me how I know is one thing, telling me I am lying is another, suggest you rethink your position.
    position stands...if you can't spread 1-11 on a shoe game...QUIT!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    position stands...if you can't spread 1-11 on a shoe game...QUIT!!!
    This depends on a lot of things. I have made really good money with spreads of less than that. Often my problem isn't getting enough EV. My problem is being able to get the EV on a great game without getting the axe. If the game is great you can make a high EV without a huge spread. My spreads are usually 10:1. What you get out of spread I get out of other opportunities. The problem is my top bet is restricted. I can spread down more with a lower minimum bet but then you can't play as long and get barred quicker plus the EV isn't much better than a smaller spread with the same top bet.

    I used to play a 20:1 spread camouflaged by betting what makes the spread look like 10:1 by my off the top bet. I found you really should't be showing your min bet enough to be seen as a 20:1 spread. If you need to drop from your off the top bet you should probably switch tables or taking a break anyway. Avoiding making those min bets that make your spread look larger is more valuable than any minor EV gain from betting less in negative EV but playing more negative EV. The EV difference with the same top bet and optimal spreads between 20:1 and 10:1 spreads is minimal and actually favors the 10:1 spread because it will bet significantly more in advantage counts. If you generate an optimal spread with the same top bet for both, the 10:1 spread will bet much more aggressively when you have an advantage than the 20:1 spread. You will find the 10:1 spread has a higher EV than the 20:1 spread. Now if your top bet will be increased by a 20:1 spread it is a different story making a 20:1 spread a lot better, if you can get away with it. But if your top bet is as high as you can get away with, a 10:1 spread is better than a 20:1 spread for a lot of reasons besides just having a higher EV from more aggressive betting in advantage situations. Many of us are betting as much as we can get away with. For us you're advice is bad. For those that can get away with a higher top bet your advice is good. Great games are usually highly protected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    Pretty common for casinos to back off because of aggregate win.

    All of my local back offs were aggregate.

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