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    Casino cheating threads

    Any of us that have spent time on gaming related forums knows that there are many threads about casino cheating. Obviously, there exist actual cases of cheating; albeit the substantial majority of cases that come to memory involve dealers cheating, not the casinos themselves. By cheating I mean rigging of the odds, not rip-off games like 6:5 BJ or confiscation of chips, etc. Also, as most people know, the vast majority of complaints are simply by people looking for excuses for losses. This has been true as long as gaming has existed. My great grandfather was shot dead in a Poker game.

    So, if the majority of posts asserting rigging of the games are false; that means the majority of such posts are libelous under the law. Now, I have a problem with hosting libel, for moral and ethical reasons as well as legal. So, the question is how to deal with such threads. It is possible that a player here has been cheated – and that should be discussed. But, it’s just as obvious that most claims are false – and accusations without damn good foundation should not be cavalierly tossed about on a public forum.

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    Moses has been trying to warn you for days now about this situation. He recognized this problem well in advance.

    Ps When does he get a parole board hearing?

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    He also accused me of doing vile things to children, made physical threats, and harassed me by phone and e-mail. He has a truth value of zero in my mind. Please don't bring up permanently banned members. They will have no voice here. Wikipedia has an essay on blocked members attempting to return as socks called DENY. It provides a helpful explanation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipe...ny_recognition

    Now, do you have a comment on the actual purpose of this thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Now, do you have a comment on the actual purpose of this thread?
    Yes, I do, I think you are correct that you are now starting to take the cheating threads seriously.

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    You are incorrect. Now, does anyone have a serious response to the purpose of this thread? How do we deal with claims of cheating, the vast majority of which are libelous? Libel is immoral, unethical, and exposes folks to civil litigation. I'm looking for serious answers to this question.
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    I have always honestly believed that you handled it in the proper way. I thought moving the discussions to The Disadvantage Forum was enough. If you feel that something else needs be done, perhaps you can create an area called "Unproven Allegations." People who think they see the same issues can then feel free to get together in an attempt to prove them. Once they win a lawsuit or somehow get independent legal confirmation of their suspicions, you can move the discussions to a folder that I suspect will be empty for quite some time. You can call the area the "I Told You So" Forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Any of us that have spent time on gaming related forums knows that there are many threads about casino cheating. Obviously, there exist actual cases of cheating; albeit the substantial majority of cases that come to memory involve dealers cheating, not the casinos themselves. By cheating I mean rigging of the odds, not rip-off games like 6:5 BJ or confiscation of chips, etc. Also, as most people know, the vast majority of complaints are simply by people looking for excuses for losses. This has been true as long as gaming has existed. My great grandfather was shot dead in a Poker game.

    So, if the majority of posts asserting rigging of the games are false; that means the majority of such posts are libelous under the law. Now, I have a problem with hosting libel, for moral and ethical reasons as well as legal. So, the question is how to deal with such threads. It is possible that a player here has been cheated – and that should be discussed. But, it’s just as obvious that most claims are false – and accusations without damn good foundation should not be cavalierly tossed about on a public forum.

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    If I were in your shoes I would discontinue the public airing of alleged cheating in the same way as you don't accept public airing of racism. Both situations should be considered unacceptable for ethical reasons. If someone thinks they have been cheated, let them report it to the gaming authorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
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    Any such thread should be data driven and provide actual, hard evidence that is not anecdotal and not purely observational. If they aren't comfortable posting such information publicly, they should use a trusted intermediary. The original post by spiderman had unverified data. Anyone with such a complaint should use a broker who is trusted in the community (Gronbog, Stealth, Don, etc). If anyone is going to believe the data posted, it must be verified in such a way that someone like the aforementioned feel comfortable saying "I believe this data to be verified and true."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    You are incorrect.
    I am not incorrect on this one and you know it. Don't believe me take a poll.

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    I have no idea what you are talking about and why you keep diverting this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about and why you keep diverting this thread.
    Norm, do you think it is possible that you are a little late to the game bringing this subject up now? Pardon me for thinking you were late to react instead of nipping it in the beginning. Why are you asking for other opinions when you always call your own shots anyway?

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    I'm so tired of this. Let me repeat what I have said so many, many times. I only read a fraction of the posts here. I rely on the members to report posts, which is trivial as there is a report post icon below every post. And, I have very often ruled against my own feelings. NOW, do you actually have anything useful to say about my question, or are you going to continue with these diversions and claims that I am lying when I ask for input?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chucky baby View Post
    If I were in your shoes I would discontinue the public airing of alleged cheating in the same way as you don't accept public airing of racism. Both situations should be considered unacceptable for ethical reasons. If someone thinks they have been cheated, let them report it to the gaming authorities.
    +1 Great post.

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