MGM Springfield, Ma.

[GMass]

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I have been told by those in the know that the pit / surveillance moves quickly to 86' card counters at $25 tables and up.
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At a casino that hasn't opened? By employees who haven't worked a day for Wynn? The same pits who work in other MA, CT, and RI casinos who can barely count to 21 never mind anything else? Ok.

[GMass]

Just as long as you understand the 86ing is not official at that initial time. Under Massachusetts law, the casinos can only make referrals to the State Gaming Commission for the desire to exclude a player. After a hearing, takes place by an agent of MGC, he/she will make a recommendation to the full Commission and then a final decision will be made. Only the state itself does the excluding. Much of this depends on defining the term "cheating" which is not clarified in the states Gaming Regulations. There is also this line:

"(e) the individual's presence in a gaming establishment presents the potential of injurious threat to the interests of the Commonwealth in a gaming establishment."

You keep repeating the same BS rhetoric. Card counting is not an injurous threat to the interest of the Commonwealth.
A player will not be excluded from all Mass stores by the commission merely for being backed off / trespassed from one.

[BoSox]

You keep repeating the same BS rhetoric. Card counting is not an injurous threat to the interest of the Commonwealth.

Depends upon what individual/individuals show up to play. Along with whom is doing the interpreting.

A player will not be excluded from all Mass stores by the commission merely for being backed off / trespassed from one.

Take your BS and shove it.

[BoSox]

"152.03: Criteria for Exclusion
(1) In the commission's discretion, an individual may be placed on the exclusion list if the commission determines that the individual meets one or more of the following criteria: (a) the individual has been convicted of a criminal offense under the laws of any state or the United States that is punishable by more than six months in a state prison, a house of correction or any comparable incarceration, a crime of moral turpitude or a violation of the gaming laws of any state; (b) the individual has violated or conspired to violate M.G.L. c. 23K or any laws related to gaming; (c) the individual has a notorious or unsavory reputation which would adversely affect public confidence and trust that the gaming industry is free from criminal or corruptive elements; (d) the individual is an associate of an individual who falls into a category identified in 205 CMR 152.03(1)(a) through (c); (e) the individual's presence in a gaming establishment presents the potential of injurious threat to the interests of the Commonwealth in a gaming establishment.
(2) In determining whether there exists the potential of injurious threat to the interests of the Commonwealth in a gaming establishment in accordance with 205 CMR 152.03(1)(e), the commission may consider, without limitation, the following: (a) Whether the individual is a known cheat;
(MA REG. # 1374, Dated 9-21-18)







205 CMR: MASSACHUSETTS GAMING COMMISSION
152.03: continued
(b) Whether the individual has had a license or registration issued in accordance with 205 CMR 134.00: Licensing and Registration of Employees, Vendors, Junket Enterprises and Representatives, and Labor Organizations, or a like license or registration issued by another jurisdiction, suspended or revoked or has been otherwise subjected to adverse action; (c) Whether the individual's egregious or repeated conduct poses a clear threat to the safety of the patrons, employees or others on or near the premises of a gaming establishment; (d) Whether the individual has a documented history of conduct involving the undue disruption of gaming operations in any jurisdiction; (e) Whether the individual is subject to a no trespass order at any casino or gaming establishment in any jurisdiction. "

[GMass]

You spread a lot of information that's grossly inaccurate that may dissuade APs from playing in the area. Are you trying to lock these stores up for yourself? Scaring away everyone else?

[BoSox]

Think whatever you like about me. If my quoting exactly from the actual gaming regulations is inaccurate then something is truly wrong.

[GMass]

Think whatever you like about me. If my quoting exactly from the actual gaming regulations is inaccurate then something is truly wrong.

You're using ambiguous language such as "Depends upon what individual/individuals show up to play. Along with whom is doing the interpreting."

So tell the jury: Who (whom matters) interprets being an AP "presents the potential of injurious threat to the interests of the Commonwealth in a gaming establishment"? Can you tell us who on the exclusion list is there because of AP actions? Who has even been the subject of a hearing for AP actions?

[BoSox]

So tell the jury: Who (whom matters) interprets being an AP "presents the potential of injurious threat to the interests of the Commonwealth in a gaming establishment"?

I think they put somewhat questionable language "not clearly defined" in the regulations to interpret it the way they want when they need to. As far as what AP's that are on their exclusion list or had a hearing I have no idea. Although, I do know if you do not attend the hearing you have been considered defeated and excluded. Over a long extended time frame, you can then request another hearing.

I vaguely remember reading that Tommy Hyland was excluded from playing.

[GMass]

Ok, so you actually have no facts. Just a poor memory and your own thoughts. I took quite a bit of risk to "meet" someone at the gaming commission to get clarification on how they're handling APs and you still keep repeating your own very incorrect interpretation of the CMRs.

No shit if you default a government hearing you automatically lose.
No one names "Hyland" is on the exclusion list, which is public.
https://massgaming.com/regulations/exclusion-list/

I again repeat: I think you're intentionally making Massachusetts seem AP-hostile to minimize those who play here.

[BoSox]

I can honestly say that I have had a few conversations with one of the Gaming Commissioners. One was in person at an MGC public meeting at Western New England College.

[BoSox]

I again repeat: I think you're intentionally making Massachusetts seem AP-hostile to minimize those who play here.

In all honesty that could not be further from the truth.

[Dbs6582]

In all honesty that could not be further from the truth.

What about in partial honest?

[SkinnyBJplayer]

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