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    Wow! I am glad that they prevented one person from "... taking revenue out of the state’s hands.”

    What a load of crap! They take money from 95% of the players that walk through the door on any given day. Will one possibly winning player make such an impact on profits? I am amazed at the dumb reasons casinos still push to justify excluding skilled players.

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    They will bankrupt the casino if they increase there max bet to table Max as there bankrolls grow. Then they will bankroll other people and yes the casino will lose money. You can easily pull out 60k a day in ev at there maxes and games. Not that they would ever do that but imagine 10 of these guys in the casino at the same time play 12 hours a day every day. Bye bye table games profits, slots will show profits but why have table games. Casinos shouldn’t really tolerate card counters. When caught we deserve respect as human beings and not being treated as some petty criminal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smallcapgrowth View Post
    You can easily pull out 60k a day in ev at there maxes and games. Not that they would ever do that but imagine 10 of these guys in the casino at the same time play 12 hours a day every day.
    We are talking about the MGM Springfield here not some fantasy island bullshit dream.

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    Hartford doesn't have an airport either.

    The airport to which you refer is "Bradley Airport". It is halfway between Hartford and Springfield. It has, at times, been referred to as "Hartford - Springfield".

    It will take time to see where the rules work out to. At this stage, MGM wants to have the most favorable rules (to it) as possible. It also knows that, if you are willing to bet bigger money, that you will only do it with good rules - so it only offers a few tables with good rules, but higher minimums.

    But the rules may improve - there will be competition. In Connecticut, about 10 - 15 minutes away (about halfway between Bradley and Springfield's MGM), Mohecan Sun/Foxwoods is building a casino. And there will be a casino in Boston in a year. With competition, there will be better blackjack rules.

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    I think it is unconscionable that a casino can ban an individual because they use their brain. Yes, if they are using some device or even paper and pen (which is ok on any other game), but not because they use their brain.

    And they have other mechanisms. They can shuffle the deck after only 25% of the deck is used. They can change the payoff on a table after giving 15 - 30 minutes notice.

    If I was running a casino, I would, politely and respectfully, take a suspected card counter to aside. Tell him/her that you are willing to have a special table for him/her (and any other suspected card counters or others wanting to join), available for 4 - 6 hours, and it will have special rules - I'd still have payoffs of 3-2, but the decks will be shuffled often, and maybe some changes on splitting and doubling down. Alternatively, if they sit at another table, they will shuffle very very often, and reduce the payoff to 6-5. That gives everyone a fair shake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcdcdc181818 View Post
    If I was running a casino, I would, politely and respectfully, take a suspected card counter to aside. Tell him/her that you are willing to have a special table for him/her (and any other suspected card counters or others wanting to join), available for 4 - 6 hours, and it will have special rules - I'd still have payoffs of 3-2, but the decks will be shuffled often, and maybe some changes on splitting and doubling down. Alternatively, if they sit at another table, they will shuffle very very often, and reduce the payoff to 6-5. That gives everyone a fair shake.
    It is illegal to have rules that are specific to individuals. This would be discrimination and an actionable situation. What if they did this to every individual of a particular minority? If they let you play they can't change the rules. They can change table limits, penetration, and flat bet you but they can't change the rules of the game just for you, at least in every jurisdiction I have played in.

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    I visited MGM last Sunday. The weather was good. The place was in full swing. There were a lot of people waiting to get players cards etc. All the pits were open. So, there was more than just one pit with the good rules previously mentioned in this thread. One small pit was just outside of the high limit room. The other larger pit included roulette tables and had about eight BJ tables at $25, 3:2, S17, LS etc. So, at full swing there are about 14 tables with good rules. Most of the seats were taken. I didn't see any signs for NMSE. I have never seen such generous playing conditions before!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halbruno View Post
    So, at full swing there are about 14 tables with good rules. Most of the seats were taken. I didn't see any signs for NMSE.
    There are 12 tables with good rules at full swing, not counting the high limit room. The four tables outside the high limit room are NMSE tables. Only eight tables with mid-shoe entry allowed with good rules.
    Last edited by BoSox; 09-19-2018 at 11:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    It is illegal to have rules that are specific to individuals. This would be discrimination and an actionable situation.
    Not true. The entire premise of discrimination against card counters has been tried in court and tossed, as smart people are not a protected class.
    Last edited by 21forme; 09-19-2018 at 11:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    There are 12 tables with good rules at full swing, not counting the high limit room. The four tables outside the high limit room are NMSE tables. Only eight tables with mid-shoe entry allowed with good rules.
    Yes, those 4 tables are NMSE but don't look for a sign anywhere on the felt. Get yourself a magnifying glass and look for the tiny print at the bottom of the electronic table sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcdcdc181818 View Post
    Hartford doesn't have an airport either.

    The airport to which you refer is "Bradley Airport". It is halfway between Hartford and Springfield. It has, at times, been referred to as "Hartford - Springfield".

    It will take time to see where the rules work out to. At this stage, MGM wants to have the most favorable rules (to it) as possible. It also knows that, if you are willing to bet bigger money, that you will only do it with good rules - so it only offers a few tables with good rules, but higher minimums.

    But the rules may improve - there will be competition. In Connecticut, about 10 - 15 minutes away (about halfway between Bradley and Springfield's MGM), Mohecan Sun/Foxwoods is building a casino. And there will be a casino in Boston in a year. With competition, there will be better blackjack rules.
    Bradley International Airport is always called Hartford even though it's in Windsor Locks. Rhode Island's airport is always called Providence and your ticket will say PVD. It's in Warwick. New Orleans' (Armstrong) is really in Kenner. It may be to avoid confusion. What if they said now boarding for Warwick and nobody moved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Not true. The entire premise of discrimination against card counters has been tried in court and tossed, as smart people are not a protected class.
    This may be true but discrimination should be blind to class. It is just as wrong to discriminate against one group as another. Picking one group as okay to discriminate against and another as not okay is the very definition of discrimination. How ironic that the arm of government that is supposed to protect people and guarantee equal rights would be the one discriminating against people. Equal means nobody is preferred and nobody is discriminated against. Giving an individual or group special treatment is discrimination just as limiting their rights is discrimination. I think we need a new Supreme Court, because the court that decided this doesn't even understand basic english and/or the meaning of equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    This may be true but discrimination should be blind to class. It is just as wrong to discriminate against one group as another. Picking one group as okay to discriminate against and another as not okay is the very definition of discrimination. How ironic that the arm of government that is supposed to protect people and guarantee equal rights would be the one discriminating against people. Equal means nobody is preferred and nobody is discriminated against. Giving an individual or group special treatment is discrimination just as limiting their rights is discrimination. I think we need a new Supreme Court, because the court that decided this doesn't even understand basic english and/or the meaning of equality.
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