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    Session BR, Trip BR recommendations..

    Are there any resources or suggestions on minimum BR required for a session, given stakes one plays? For example, if I play a 6 deck, $10 minimum table, with a max bet of $100, how much should I have in my pocket to survive swings? What about for a $25 DD game with a $200 max bet?

    Similarly, if taking a trip where one intends playing 25 hours of BJ (say a 3 day trip), max bets as above, what should the trip bankroll be?

    Finally, at what point do you quit if losing? I have noticed that sometimes, I played till I had under a $100 and then it seemed that the last $100 would be ground out.

    In effect, how much to take and when to quit?

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    oops, I found the old posting but maybe there is more advice or others who were not on the forum back then could check it out. Sorry for the re-post but the question popped up in my bhead as I was planning a trip.

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...-Session-Rolls

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    http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...%20betting.pdf

    My rule of thumb is twice as much as you have needed to survive the worse case run for a trip in the past. Snyder says $30K (if your BR is $30K or less bring it all).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...%20betting.pdf

    My rule of thumb is twice as much as you have needed to survive the worse case run for a trip in the past. Snyder says $30K (if your BR is $30K or less bring it all).
    I’ll get back to the article and read it in it’s entirety.
    Some years back, I was convinced t9 go to a $50 table, where I tapped out. A table mate offered to lend me, unsolicited, 1k. I refused. My answer was very simple - I don’t know you well enough to borrow more should I need more for a hit streak. My game was over.

    My philosophy is to take way more than I need. It gives me comfort. I have many times gone on a trip, only to use my initial $500 or sometimes a 1 k buy in. My last trip I took 25k plus my wallet contents of $1600. First 2 sessions garnered approx 1k. The game from hell reared it’s ugly head, and I kept buying in. The carnage was $7500 with no chips in front of me. I had lots of money on me, but one of the few times that I left a high count, I refused to buy in for more. The money supports endeavours elsewhere.

    I have never, in my entire play, been required to show ID for either cash out or cash for Government requirements, and I wasn’t about to start. (I leave out a 1 occasion 4K show card cash out in Vegas. Lesson learned, cash out for less and never with yellow. Other loss was only $300.

    Worst bath ever, still had a 9/11 win rate for $3800 over 17 or so hours. Decent, but it could have been great.

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    30 max bets is a reasonable starting point, although it depends on how difficult it is to reload. For example, recently I was in a foreign country, playing for relatively low stakes. For those of you who haven't travelled much, usually the best way to get foreign cash when you are in another country is to use the ATM. So in that situation, where I could easily reload from the ATM, I would often play with just 10 max bets because if I lost a few max bets I could just hit up the ATM. OTOH if I won I could avoid incurring ATM + FOREX fees which were quite high. Now if your max bet is quite high and ATM reloads aren't viable, then you can take a lot of cash. Or you can just hit a bank branch if you start running low. You don't want to place a bet unless you have 3 or 4 more to match it so that you can cover all splits and doubles (more bets are necessary if you are playing two hands).


    In terms of a loss limit, it all depends. There is nothing wrong with calling it a day when you are losing, but I like to get in a lot of volume when I play to maximize my winrate, especially if conditions are good.

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    CVCX. If you select the game you wish to play and how many hours you intend to play, one of the widgets will display 1, 2, and 3 standard deviations for that play. Bring enough to cover -3SD.

    I disagree with needing to bring your whole BR if it's 30k or less. Unless you're playing with a high RoR, that's a bit nuts. My BR is much less than 30k, I usually play to a 1% RoR or less, and I've never had to dig more than 4k in a trip. I do not bring my whole BR. To do so unnecessarily exposes yourself to thieves and civil forfeiture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    30 max bets is a reasonable starting point, although it depends on how difficult it is to reload.
    30 max bets is reasonable, but I start feel to nervous about tapping out, and it will cause me to play less than my best game to compensate. I like to have money available.

    Further, regardless of how easy it is to reload, I have never ever used an ATM at a casino. I don’t know it for a fact, however, I believe the casino can actually track you on that. Further, I would refuse, on principle, to pay those outrageous in house atm fees, and for that matter, further exacerbated by forex fees. It’s a zero charge to go to the bank, or if forced to use a bank atm, I’m still at zero fee with relaxed withdrawal limits, though again, never used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    30 max bets is reasonable, but I start feel to nervous about tapping out, and it will cause me to play less than my best game to compensate. I like to have money available.

    Further, regardless of how easy it is to reload, I have never ever used an ATM at a casino. I don’t know it for a fact, however, I believe the casino can actually track you on that. Further, I would refuse, on principle, to pay those outrageous in house atm fees, and for that matter, further exacerbated by forex fees. It’s a zero charge to go to the bank, or if forced to use a bank atm, I’m still at zero fee with relaxed withdrawal limits, though again, never used.
    Forgot to note, seeing Bubbles post above - I take far far less on USA trips, though have access to no cost atms, though inconvenient, again never used. Further, should I choose to do so, my USD credit card is issued legally, with my first and middle names only, again never used for purposes of cash withdrawal.

    I also have a USD based account tied into my Canadian based USD account, and with a few keystrokes, can reload my USD based account..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    ... For example, if I play a 6 deck, $10 minimum table, with a max bet of $100, how much should I have in my pocket to survive swings? What about for a $25 DD game with a $200 max bet? ..
    Inherant 1-10 spread on a shoe game is "child's play", imo.....plz don't add h17 6:5, and/or no surr...or I will probably vomit...lol

    No offense, is that the best games u can find?...it has to be worth your time...personally, 1-20 would be min...and that's still small for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Are there any resources or suggestions on minimum BR required for a session, given stakes one plays? For example, if I play a 6 deck, $10 minimum table, with a max bet of $100, how much should I have in my pocket to survive swings? What about for a $25 DD game with a $200 max bet?

    Similarly, if taking a trip where one intends playing 25 hours of BJ (say a 3 day trip), max bets as above, what should the trip bankroll be?

    Finally, at what point do you quit if losing? I have noticed that sometimes, I played till I had under a $100 and then it seemed that the last $100 would be ground out.

    In effect, how much to take and when to quit?
    Why are you asking all these questions when you have your very own money management style?

    On the 2nd of the month you made the following statement in a post:

    "I am going to get it for posting this but, for my personality and psychological well being, I use session loss limits. Thus, I can see 5-6 max bet losses but not the 15-20 max bet losses claimed here. Losing more than $1.5k in a session really screws up my day and I hate playing angry or irritated. So sometimes, even when a round of two is left to play, it's "no mas" after 5-6 max bet losses."

    ZeeBabar, I do not understand where you are going with all the inquiries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Why are you asking all these questions when you have your very own money management style?

    On the 2nd of the month you made the following statement in a post:

    "I am going to get it for posting this but, for my personality and psychological well being, I use session loss limits. Thus, I can see 5-6 max bet losses but not the 15-20 max bet losses claimed here. Losing more than $1.5k in a session really screws up my day and I hate playing angry or irritated. So sometimes, even when a round of two is left to play, it's "no mas" after 5-6 max bet losses."

    ZeeBabar, I do not understand where you are going with all the inquiries?
    Bosox, my postings are in a "stream of conscious" type. I had an upcoming trip (starting tomorrow) for 4 nights and 3 days, had about $4900 on hand, was wondering if I should go to the bank and get more before my trip. Yes, for loss limits session, I quit when about $1500 down but for planning a trip to play 24 hours and some 10-12 sessions at several casinos, I considered just starting out on the trip with $4900 but will probably go with $10k.

    In any case, the answers above and in the original post help Newbies and lesser players consider what the pros do.

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    Zee,

    It’s amazing that you’ve been playing this long and still need to ask such novice questions. How on earth have you made it this far?

    If the new posters are curious enough, they’ll ask/post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryemo View Post
    Zee,

    It’s amazing that you’ve been playing this long and still need to ask such novice questions. How on earth have you made it this far?

    If the new posters are curious enough, they’ll ask/post.
    Students do not raise their hands and ask "dumb" questions. Often, rather than an answer, newbies are told that they should ask questions after they have read books, forums, researched and such. What is amazing to me is why there is a need to get on a thread and post if you are not going to address the post but rather the messenger. Let it be and move on to the next thread.

    If more people would only address the post or move on, these threads would be a lot shorter. But then, as I have maintained for some time, this profession has its side effects and the smart ones move on to write books, join other professions or manage forums. Others linger on, waiting to pounce on a poster.

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