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    "Face Recognition: Off" written on the screen of ASM?

    I was sitting on Seat #1 and saw the screen of ASM, written "Face Recognition: Off".

    What does the function do while shuffling???

    This is a lousy 8 deck game that I've been playing several months (I use Hi-Opt II + ASC), but I always get the feeling they group small cards and big cards (maybe I'm wrong).

    Anyone knows of this "Face Recognition" function?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planisphere View Post
    I was sitting on Seat #1 and saw the screen of ASM, written "Face Recognition: Off".

    What does the function do while shuffling???

    This is a lousy 8 deck game that I've been playing several months (I use Hi-Opt II + ASC), but I always get the feeling they group small cards and big cards (maybe I'm wrong).

    Anyone knows of this "Face Recognition" function?
    Most likely a card scanner to determine the full set of cards represents an 8D shoe?

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    I once saw them testing a 6 deck ASM with a window. The guy took 3 cards out, lay them on the felt and put the rest of the cards in the ASM. A few seconds later, he was able to read off which cards were missing and flipped over the cards on the table, he was correct. He went around to the next table to do the same.

    It could be simply that the ASM was not functioning properly or they were cheating. By turning the "card face recognition" off, they could switch a ten card or two with a low denomination card or two and increase the casino odds. With the "face recognition" on, the ASM would give a red light and stop shuffling if cards were in correct and did not include entire decks. With it off, they could have replaced cards for other cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    I once saw them testing a 6 deck ASM with a window. The guy took 3 cards out, lay them on the felt and put the rest of the cards in the ASM. A few seconds later, he was able to read off which cards were missing and flipped over the cards on the table, he was correct. He went around to the next table to do the same.

    It could be simply that the ASM was not functioning properly or they were cheating. By turning the "card face recognition" off, they could switch a ten card or two with a low denomination card or two and increase the casino odds. With the "face recognition" on, the ASM would give a red light and stop shuffling if cards were in correct and did not include entire decks. With it off, they could have replaced cards for other cards.
    They always get a new deck of cards wrapped in plastic and rip-open it infront of players - does this completely rule out of possibility of replacing cards?

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    If they are clumping the cards think about how that affects every bet on the table. You don't have to win your BJ bet to make money at the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    If they are clumping the cards think about how that affects every bet on the table. You don't have to win your BJ bet to make money at the table.
    If they are clumping high cards (tens and face cards), we are most likely to push.
    But if they are clumping low cards (and us counters have no choice but to mostly stay if the dealer has 2-6), the dealer is most likely to win because he won't bust.

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    Cheating conspiracy posts moved to Cheating Forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Cheating conspiracy posts moved to Cheating Forum.
    Very predictable. No discussions on possible cheating allowed on this forum, period. Most cannot agree anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Very predictable. No discussions on possible cheating allowed on this forum, period. Most cannot agree anyway.
    Conspiracy theory cheating is discussed in the casino cheating forum. If you want to view them pay the minimal subscription.

    The trouble with a conspiracy is the more people that know about it the more that have to remain silent. People are not good at that at all. The more people involved the less likely the conspiracy will remain secret. All it takes is one disgruntled employee or one do goober whistle blower. This conspiracy is supposed to have gone on for over half a decade and yet not one of the myriad on conspirators from either the manufacturer or hundreds of casinos have come forward. That should tell you something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    The trouble with a conspiracy is the more people that know about it the more that have to remain silent. People are not good at that at all. The more people involved the less likely the conspiracy will remain secret. All it takes is one disgruntled employee or one do goober whistle blower. This conspiracy is supposed to have gone on for over half a decade and yet not one of the myriad on conspirators from either the manufacturer or hundreds of casinos have come forward. That should tell you something.
    This is what I've been saying mostly privately for a while now. You sound like you have real world experience many others do not seem to share. I'll add yet another angle that makes this all so ridiculous: if anyone has ever purchased anything from a sales rep in a professional organization, especially one with a sales engineer and who carries a bag, you'd see just how silly this all is. I don't want to go into much more detail but think big rooms of people hearing pitches over and over, proof of concept pilots, etc etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    This is what I've been saying mostly privately for a while now. You sound like you have real world experience many others do not seem to share. I'll add yet another angle that makes this all so ridiculous: if anyone has ever purchased anything from a sales rep in a professional organization, especially one with a sales engineer and who carries a bag, you'd see just how silly this all is. I don't want to go into much more detail but think big rooms of people hearing pitches over and over, proof of concept pilots, etc etc..
    Okay then let me put it this way...

    Is there a counter-strategy when you suspect that there's a clumping happening?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    Conspiracy theory cheating is discussed in the casino cheating forum. If you want to view them pay the minimal subscription.

    The trouble with a conspiracy is the more people that know about it the more that have to remain silent. People are not good at that at all. The more people involved the less likely the conspiracy will remain secret. All it takes is one disgruntled employee or one do goober whistle blower. This conspiracy is supposed to have gone on for over half a decade and yet not one of the myriad on conspirators from either the manufacturer or hundreds of casinos have come forward. That should tell you something.
    That view is old. If that was the case, why did Volkswagon/audi cheat? Why did Bernie Madoff get away for so long?

    In today's surveillance world, the whistleblower pays a heavy heavy price. A major problem in the United States is not there are too many whistleblowers…there are too few. Where were the whistleblowers when the Central Intelligence Agency was operating secret prisons; conducting torture and abuse; and kidnapping individuals off the streets in Europe and the Middle East and turning them over to foreign intelligence agencies that conducted torture and abuse? Where were the whistleblowers when the National Security Agency violated the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution against “unreasonable searches and seizures” and conducted widespread warrantless eavesdropping? Where were the whistleblowers when the State Department permitted the use of a consulate to serve as a cover for an inadequately protected intelligence platform in Benghazi? Where were the whistleblowers when the Pentagon was building secret facilities in North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula in order to conduct military strikes in countries where the United States was not at war?

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