Proggressive betting on shuffler

[Dedi]

Hello people i just registered to this forum and i find all the information in here rly helpful.
We are 2 guys from greece me and my brother that we are trying to understand how to manouver in the blackjack tables in our casino but here is the problem.
We started with a bankroll of 300 euros and the minimum table is 10 euros all shufflers(4 decks S17, DOA,DAS,Resplit to 4,cant resplit and hit AA no peek no surrender).
We used a typicall progressive system 10 in the first bet 15 in the next 20 in the next and so on when winning and back to minimum when losing.We aimed for 100 euros each session and the 1st day went pretty good. We won 5 sessions and managed to pull 550 euros
2nd and 3rd day we were on money cause we won 2 sessions so we pulled arround 250 euros and then we busted.
Tommorow we are thinking on hitting again this time with 1 acc of 300 each. Whats your opinion? Are we just lucky the first day and we should stop? Is there something we can do to get better odds?
I hope this was understandable and thank you!!

[Talmadge]

You were just lucky.
There are no betting systems or progression betting etc that can turn a -EV game into +EV

[Dedi]

I know that without a count there is no +EV for the player.
What we actually try to do is to steal small wins constantly.
I am asking if this is possible or if anyone have tried to play with shufflers and how he did it.

[BoSox]

What we actually try to do is to steal small wins constantly.
I am asking if this is possible or if anyone have tried to play with shufflers and how he did it.

Dedi, did you and your brother by chance notice if those shufflers you are playing against happen to clump cards into patterns that seem unusual, and are happening on a consistent basis? If that is the case and either of you possess some real good math skills you might be able to clean house.

[Dedi]

Dedi, did you and your brother by chance notice if those shufflers you are playing against happen to clump cards into patterns that seem unusual, and are happening on a consistent basis? If that is the case and either of you possess some real good math skills you might be able to clean house.

I can handle maths cause i just finished in uni as a mathematician but no patterns.
The thing that i saw a lot when we got the 2 busts was that doubles where failing when the progression was deep .
Grand example from yesterday was that i had 99 at a 60 euro bet against an 8 i split and i got 18 19 and dealer draws a 20, It literally destroyed my bankroll. Thats why i am thinking that maybe we were unlucky.

Do you play against shufflers ?

Btw i am in chat if anyone has the time to discuss live thanks.

[Three]

ASM or CSM?

[Dedi]

ASM or CSM?

CSM. Dealer put cards back in the shuffler at the end of every hand

[BoSox]

Dedi, back to those machines are they continuous shuffle machines CSM or automatic shuffle machines ASM? The ASM will have a set of cards being played and another pack of cards being shuffled in a machine while the other pack is being used.

Using progression betting against a CSM shuffling machine is a real bad idea. Unless you have more useful information at hand your progression system is also a really bad idea on the ASM. I would give up any idea on progressions systems period.

[Dedi]

its a csm. It has 4 decks and at the end of every hand the cards go back to the shuffling machine. Can you please be more specific of what an asm is cause i havvent seen one ever.

Ok so is there anyway we can play the game profitable against a csm cause this is the only casino we have in athens that is near us.

[Freightman]

I would give up any idea on progressions systems period.

However, a dual ramp system incorporating strategies making one look like a progression bettor are very effective, if done right. In the formative days of developing my system, numb nuts, a critter at a local store told me that I was a progression gambler. Just before I got bounced (about 100k later) told another counter that “he doesnt fool us one bit”.

Very very very recently, a critter tells the acting gm that “he thinks im counting”. May have had something to do with the $500 buy in and $3800 cash out an hour later.

Sounds impressive. Just the session before, everything went wrong going for the biggest numbers I’ve ever experienced.

[Dedi]

However, a dual ramp system incorporating strategies making one look like a progression bettor are very effective, if done right. In the formative days of developing my system, numb nuts, a critter at a local store told me that I was a progression gambler. Just before I got bounced (about 100k later) told another counter that “he doesnt fool us one bit”.

Very very very recently, a critter tells the acting gm that “he thinks im counting”. May have had something to do with the $500 buy in and $3800 cash out an hour later.

Sounds impressive. Just the session before, everything went wrong going for the biggest numbers I’ve ever experienced.

i dont understand what you are saying man i am sorry. English is not my native so can you be more clear of your point?

[Freightman]

i dont understand what you are saying man ?

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Not many do. Informative info for those that do, purposely vague for those who don’t.

[ummagumma]

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Not many do. Informative info for those that do, purposely vague for those who don’t.

LOL. I like that...