Basic Strategy question regarding "soft" and "hard" hands

[Midwest Player]

That will work. If X+Y>10 the ace will count as 1 and it is now a hard hand. It is best to just call hands where the ace can count as one or ten a soft hand and when ace must be counted as one a hard hand.

Ace counts as one or eleven, not 10.

[Letangs]

Probably just a typo that he made

[Midwest Player]

If I got A / 4 / 4, the correct thing is to look up at what the BS says to do when you got A/8, rather than looking at what you should do when you got 19 (even though the outcome is the same anyway) ?

The outcome is not always the same. If you have A8 on you first two cards you would double down against a 6 in an H17 game. If you have A,4,4 you can't double down and would call it a 19 and stand.

[Letangs]

Yeah obviously, excepted for doubling down which is not possible.

[DSchles]

The outcome is not always the same. If you have A8 on you first two cards you would double down against a 6 in an H17 game. If you have A,4,4 you can't double down and would call it a 19 and stand.

I STILL wouldn't call it 19!! EVER! It's multi-card A,8, and the rule for multi-card soft hands is: hit anyting A,6 or below, stand on anything A,8 or above, and (for multi-deck) for A,7, stand vs. dealer's 2-8 and hit vs. 9, 10, and Ace.

I've never considered a soft hand 17, or 18, or 19, or 20, or 21 in my life. It's a very poor way to learn how to play.

Don

[Letangs]

Yes Don but what in this case ?

A / 2 / 3 vs dealer 5

should we consider it as virtually A5 ?
the BS says to double down A5 vs dealer 5. Impossible in this case because it’s a 3 cards hand. Should we just Hit then ?
or Stand, as the BS says for 16 vs 5 ?

[BoSox]

Should we just Hit then ?
or Stand, as the BS says for 16 vs 5 ?

You hit that hand, and please stop thinking that you only have 16 vs a five.

[Letangs]

Might have been a bad exemple.

let’s say

I got A2 in my starting hand. Dealer shows a 4.

as the BS says, in A2 vs 4, I HIT.
I receive a 3.
now comes the troubles..

Should we consider this hand as A5 and therefore try to apply the BS regarding this hand ?
if yes, BS says to DD A5 vs 4. But we can’t because ît’s a 3cards hand.
so should we HIT ?

or should we refer to the BS as a hand 16 vs 4, which says STAND ?

[Letangs]

Sorry Don if these seems stupid questions. I’m just trying to make up my mind on something that I found to be not clear. Before taking bad habits...

now I understand it. If the BS says to DD a hand with an ace, but it’s a hand made of 3 + cards, then I should Hit these hands.

[Dbs6582]

You hit that hand, and please stop thinking that you only have 16 vs a five.

Come on Bosox, you’re smarter that. You guys say I troll. What about this guy? I saw this as a troll post from the beginning. It was actually kind of funny the way he kept you guys going. These questions were too basic. Nobody who has played bj would have asked them. Not even a ploppy, if they have played for more than a week. I could see immediately what he was doing.

I only counter conventional AP wisdom and some call me a troll. What I have noticed is there are just some beliefs within the AP community that you don’t challenge. Kind of like ploppy logic. There are just some things you don’t try to explain to them. They aren’t going to get it.

[Letangs]

Are you actually accusing me of trolling ?

these question might seem « too basic » for such a grand-master expert as you seem to be.
i didn’t know this forum was a only-access to people making hundred thousand of dollars on blackjack tables. I should have known.

Now you ask a question, and you get blamed for it because it’s not « next-level » enough.
internet has gone so bad.

[DSchles]

Yes Don but what in this case ?

A / 2 / 3 vs dealer 5

should we consider it as virtually A5 ?
the BS says to double down A5 vs dealer 5. Impossible in this case because it’s a 3 cards hand. Should we just Hit then ?
or Stand, as the BS says for 16 vs 5 ?

Did you not read my post directly above that addressed multi-card hands? Can't make it much clearer than that. READ before you type.

Don

[DSchles]

Sorry Don if these seems stupid questions. I’m just trying to make up my mind on something that I found to be not clear. Before taking bad habits...

now I understand it. If the BS says to DD a hand with an ace, but it’s a hand made of 3 + cards, then I should Hit these hands.

That's not what I wrote, and it isn't always true. If you start with A,2 vs. 4 and hit with 5, to now have A,7, you stand. READ what I wrote, please!

Don