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    Quote Originally Posted by cc12b View Post
    How about BJs pay even money on 6D shoe? yes, at one of my local casino and it always full. Don S on other tread also said educate ploppies regarding to 6/5 is waste of time/energy. I will not get in the debate of beating the 6/5.
    Best way to get under the radar is to present as a ploppy. 6-5 games afford good cover for an AP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    Gman, I agree with everything you’re saying. I don’t like 6:5. I just don’t know if there is anything much we can do about it.

    I did have a funny experience when I played at a new casino about 6 months ago. I was backcounting a table and when the count was good I got in and got a bj a couple hands later and got paid 6:5. This surprised me since I didn't even know this casino had 6:5. It was in Louisiana where I didn’t think 6:5 had penetrated. I then walked around the casino and learned about half the tables were 6:5 and the other half were 3:2 and the rules were the same on these tables with the same $10 min. I think the side bets might have been different. I went to a pit boss and asked him why they did this? He didn’t know. I then asked him why would anybody play a 6:5 table when a 3:2 table was right next to it with the same min. He couldn’t answer this question either.

    I then spent about about an hour just watching ploppies play at these tables and it didn’t seem like they cared if they were on the 6:5 or 3:2 table. The 6:5 tables were as crowded as the 3:2 tables. It was hard to believe. This still has me confused but it made me see how little ploppies care about this. I still don’t know why this casino had both tables unless this was some type of test to see if ploppies would play 6:5. If this was a test, then the answer is yes they will play 6:5. They don’t care what they play.
    Just think of the general stupidity of so much of the public.

    Then take the demographic that willing throws their money away in the casino, knowing the odds are against them (maybe they don't even realize this???) not even taking an hour to learn basic strategy, for the years they spend donating their welfare cheques to the casinos at the tables.

    This really comes as no suprise.

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    I mean, 90+% of players I see play the side bets on every single hand, this has to have a similar (maybe even worse) effect on EV than 6:5, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    Best way to get under the radar is to present as a ploppy. 6-5 games afford good cover for an AP.
    Agreed! This is one of the reasons I started playing single deck 6:5. If you go to a caisno and camp out at their DD game they will pick you off eventually. If you go back and forth between 6:5 single and 3:2 DD, you look more like a ploppy. I’ve found this is great cover. Most casinos don’t think APs play much 6:5. I’ve never been picked off at a casino where I play 6:5, even when I play a lot of DD with a big spread at the same casino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountinCanadian View Post
    I mean, 90+% of players I see play the side bets on every single hand, this has to have a similar (maybe even worse) effect on EV than 6:5, no?
    You're right. The side bet at my local casino has a house edge of 10%, and the majority of ploppies still play it. I’ve had as many as 3 ploppies play on mine. Since I don’t play it, the locals think my spot hits it more than theirs. They always go bananas if someone hits it and they aren’t playing it.

    They love the side bet, just because it pays a bunch if they hit it. It’s kind of like playing slots while they're playing bj. If we can’t get the ploppies to stop playing the side bet, how are we ever going to get them to stop playing 6:5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountinCanadian View Post
    I went to a pit boss and asked him why they did this? He didn’t know. I then asked him why would anybody play a 6:5 table when a 3:2 table was right next to it with the same min. He couldn’t answer this question either.
    Do you expected him to tell the truth if he has known the right answer? How about the H E on slots and many other carnival games like Mississippi stud, UTH, 3cards poker to name a few. I wish G man's noble fight have good result but I doubt casinos would change that as long as majority of casino goers keep playing it. This subject has many people addressed on many websites and medias, included this one, since 6/5 just surfaced. At mean time if someone find out the way to beat it then best wishes to him/her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cc12b View Post
    Do you expected him to tell the truth if he has known the right answer? How about the H E on slots and many other carnival games like Mississippi stud, UTH, 3cards poker to name a few. I wish G man's noble fight have good result but I doubt casinos would change that as long as majority of casino goers keep playing it. This subject has many people addressed on many websites and medias, included this one, since 6/5 just surfaced. At mean time if someone find out the way to beat it then best wishes to him/her.
    Hey cc12b I was the one taking to the pit critter. We were just having a causal conversation about several things. He was standing alone not doing anything and I was standing around also not doing much so I struck up a conversation with him. It wasn’t any intense discussion on this matter. I was asking it more as a rhetorical question. I didn’t expect him to have the answer. I just asked him if it made any sense why someone would play on a 6:5 table while a 3:2 table was close by. He agreed it made no sense to him. We had a good conversation about several things, even national politics and football. It’s always good to stay in the good graces of pit critters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    I then walked around the casino and learned about half the tables were 6:5 and the other half were 3:2 and the rules were the same on these tables with the same $10 min. I think the side bets might have been different. I went to a pit boss and asked him why they did this? He didn’t know. I then asked him why would anybody play a 6:5 table when a 3:2 table was right next to it with the same min. He couldn’t answer this question either.

    I then spent about about an hour just watching ploppies play at these tables and it didn’t seem like they cared if they were on the 6:5 or 3:2 table. The 6:5 tables were as crowded as the 3:2 tables. It was hard to believe. This still has me confused but it made me see how little ploppies care about this. I still don’t know why this casino had both tables unless this was some type of test to see if ploppies would play 6:5. If this was a test, then the answer is yes they will play 6:5. They don’t care what they play.
    In post 77 you wrote:

    "Hey cc12b I was the one taking to the pit critter. We were just having a causal conversation about several things. He was standing alone not doing anything and I was standing around also not doing much so I struck up a conversation with him. It wasn’t any intense discussion on this matter. I was asking it more as a rhetorical question. I didn’t expect him to have the answer. I just asked him if it made any sense why someone would play on a 6:5 table while a 3:2 table was close by. He agreed it made no sense to him. We had a good conversation about several things, even national politics and football. It’s always good to stay in the good graces of pit critters."

    I guess you do in fact like being around the casino environment. First, you spend an hour watching ploppies playing 6/5 blackjack. Then you decide to strike up a conversation with a pit critter for who knows how long talking first about 6/5 blackjack, national politics, and last but not least football. I am glad you are all business and have your priorities straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    Hey cc12b I was the one taking to the pit critter....so I struck up a conversation with him.....
    Ah...you missed your chance to ask about your "fixed demand" theory where casino profits are the same with 50% pen...shucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    Ah...you missed your chance to ask about your "fixed demand" theory where casino profits are the same with 50% pen...shucks
    You’re wrong. I did bring that up with him. Since it’s a casino that is quite a ways from my house that I don’t frequent much I touched on that topic too. We actually debated which was a better way for them to increase profits? Should they move the cut card further back or move all their tables to 6:5? Both accomplish the same purpose...they extract money from poppies faster.

    I told him the two aren’t mutually exclusive. They could really increase profits by moving the cut card further back and also take all their tables to 6:5 at same time. He liked that idea, but I don’t think he’s at any level to make that kind of decision. I told him in jest I was just there to help his casino make more money. Lol

    This does brings up another good point. If APs are so concerned about casinos making more money, why are they for moving the cut card further back but not for 6:5?

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