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    Heat, HL rooms, and higher min tables.

    One of my struggles has to do with discomfort with heat. I walk into a casino that has both DD games and 6deck games ($25 min) on main floor and HL room. The main floor DD game and 6 deck games have 2-3 ploppies playing at each of the $25 min tables, the 1-2 pit folks keeping an eye on about 10 tables (BJ carnival, baccarat, craps). The HL room has a 6 deck and a DD game without anyone playing (could walk in and play heads up) and a pit person who will likely hawk the table you sit at as you are the only player in the room. I find myself playing the main floor with the ploppies.

    If I get the courage to go for it, I play differently under scrutiny, reduce my spread, bet more in first round, leave bet out after win even if count tanks and more.

    I am left wondering if playing the less desirable tables where I can get optimally is better than the better games in the HL room that require cover and less optimal betting.

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    Why not play the better games and leave them as soon as you have shown them your max bet, or as soon as you think your play has provided enough evidence for the pit to start noticing you? After the count tanks - of course. Get in the habit of leaving before they can tell you "congratulations on your win," or "You have a nice solid game."

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    Zee. At your stakes why even bother with counting BJ. You need to think outside the box.
    "I think, therfore I can't play blackjack."
    Arnold Snyder, Blackbelt in Blackjack pg. 229 (2005)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solo player View Post
    Zee. At your stakes why even bother with counting BJ. You need to think outside the box.
    My stakes are $25-$150 on DD, $10-15 to 2x$90 at 6 deck and a current BR of $68k. For my goal of $10-15k per year, counting BY using HiLo is sufficient.

    I don't know what your comment means, is it sarcasm or an attempt at flaming? He more explicit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    My stakes are $25-$150 on DD, $10-15 to 2x$90 at 6 deck and a current BR of $68k. For my goal of $10-15k per year, counting BY using HiLo is sufficient.

    I don't know what your comment means, is it sarcasm or an attempt at flaming? He more explicit.
    If I recall, seems to me you started out with a "shoe box" roll of 20k. So, assuming you haven't supported the roll (which I don't think you have), and despite the silliness and often, the ridiculousness if your inquiries (driving traffic thru the roof at 2 bj sites), given further you are not close to utilizing the current power if your bankroll - I chuckle at what you've accomplished - so let's review and summarize.

    1. You've made money over 4 years. That makes you better than 99% of the bj playing population.
    2. Many counters go broke for various reasons - you haven't. That makes you better than half the counters.
    3. You continue to defy much of the good advice extolled to you - just continue to muddle on.
    4. You've provided entertainment to the masses, and have royally pissed off a few.

    And through it all, you've done it your way.
    https://youtu.be/9SXWX6qg0y4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    If I recall, seems to me you started out with a "shoe box" roll of 20k. So, assuming you haven't supported the roll (which I don't think you have), and despite the silliness and often, the ridiculousness if your inquiries (driving traffic thru the roof at 2 bj sites), given further you are not close to utilizing the current power if your bankroll - I chuckle at what you've accomplished - so let's review and summarize.

    1. You've made money over 4 years. That makes you better than 99% of the bj playing population.
    2. Many counters go broke for various reasons - you haven't. That makes you better than half the counters.
    3. You continue to defy much of the good advice extolled to you - just continue to muddle on.
    4. You've provided entertainment to the masses, and have royally pissed off a few.

    And through it all, you've done it your way.
    https://youtu.be/9SXWX6qg0y4
    Zee
    Forgot to mention - consider being a mentor to DBS6582.

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    Are you even certain you are getting heat in the HL??? Its not uncommon for a bored critter to stand around your table just because they have nothing to do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmybond007 View Post
    Are you even certain you are getting heat in the HL??? Its not uncommon for a bored critter to stand around your table just because they have nothing to do...
    You are probably right. I just reported how it affects me. I often OPT for the games that might have the least heat. On the red chip tables, its far easier to get away with optimal betting.

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    I'll just say it: I know you won't do this, but you go to the table you want to play at. You sit down. You look them dead in the eyes and think to yourself I'm going to play faster, longer, and throw down more money than you can imagine until you clearly show me I'm done here.

    That's how you become a winning player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    If I recall, seems to me you started out with a "shoe box" roll of 20k. So, assuming you haven't supported the roll (which I don't think you have), and despite the silliness and often, the ridiculousness if your inquiries (driving traffic thru the roof at 2 bj sites), given further you are not close to utilizing the current power if your bankroll - I chuckle at what you've accomplished - so let's review and summarize.

    1. You've made money over 4 years. That makes you better than 99% of the bj playing population.
    2. Many counters go broke for various reasons - you haven't. That makes you better than half the counters.
    3. You continue to defy much of the good advice extolled to you - just continue to muddle on.
    4. You've provided entertainment to the masses, and have royally pissed off a few.

    And through it all, you've done it your way.
    https://youtu.be/9SXWX6qg0y4
    As regards 1, I actually started with a shoebox and $15 k (as the banks were giving less than 1% interest back then). Its now, $68k so I am up about $48k in 4.5 years or about $11k a year. About 2, I am a fiscal conservative so I use loss limits and take breaks when on losing streaks, walk away with $200 to build my confidence back up and such. Technically, I have a $68k BR but I would not allow myself to lose more than $7k in any month. If I approached it, I quit for a while. I did not go broke because I did not try to aim high.

    About 3, its actually inaccurate. I learned far more from this forum and BJ21. They say I ignored advice because I played rated. Fact is that when I started, I did not know not to play rated, so I played rated and let my experience be my guide rather than what some pros who had not played rated in decades were telling me. I decided to take advice on how to play the actual game of BJ but decided that pros who had not played with a players card in decades were not really qualified to educate me on it. Bottom line is that I now balance my play. If I have a winning session or two, then I quit using players card at that chain and only "find" the card when I am losing and plan to leave without winning (get back to even or take a small loss). For now, despite OSN, I am still reaping benefits from my players card, getting comped room in LV, MS and other places.

    As far as actually play is concerned, the forum has helped me tremendously. I have chosen to report my play and get ridiculed for doubling for less, not doubling when I should have, less than optimal betting and other such things. I remember their ridicule and I make the right play when situations arise, overcome my frugal instincts and make the full double, insure for full amount, playing optimally and more. The full time pros have to get their hostility out so they do not simply respond to a query by saying someone made a mistake, they ridicule them but the message does get across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    I'll just say it: I know you won't do this, but you go to the table you want to play at. You sit down. You look them dead in the eyes and think to yourself I'm going to play faster, longer, and throw down more money than you can imagine until you clearly show me I'm done here.

    That's how you become a winning player.
    Pretty narrow view.

    Play smarter, learn more skills and develop better judgement. Reduce your losses, increase your win percentage. Sims can be beaten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Pretty narrow view.
    You sure ended up off topic. Zee was talking about not having the stones to play high limit.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar
    One of my struggles has to do with discomfort with heat.


    That is what I was addressing, the OP's topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    You sure ended up off topic. Zee was talking about not having the stones to play high limit.



    That is what I was addressing, the OP's topic.[/COLOR]
    But your suggestions kill longevity. I dont live in las Vegas and I play in about 8-9 casinos spread over 400 miles. If I do as you suggest, I will lose them. Even increasing my bets a bit landed me in the OSN.

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