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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    For a 20:1 spread on 6 deck/75 cut off, H17, DAS, Hilo full with a $25 minimum bet; I get a ramp of:

    >=0 1
    1 2
    2 8
    3 16
    >=4 20

    with an EV of about $80/hr. With BR $37K and RoR of 13.2%.

    You are waiting too long to get to your max bet. That is what Norm meant by fixing the betting.
    Did your simulation include Surrender? I got the similar number, but around 50 if no surrender. Do people really triple their bet from TC=1 to TC=2? Doesn't it get a lot heat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by logicalbj View Post
    Do people really triple their bet from TC=1 to TC=2? Doesn't it get a lot heat?
    Short answer is yes they do.
    I took this below partial quote from a post that I made a few days ago in another thread that could help in this area.

    "Say the player said he now bets $30 as his normal minimum bet, on the small tables wonderful, stay there as he has plenty of options. Starting with opening with $30 bets an increasing when the TC rises or dropping down to $20 or $10 "waiting bets" in slightly negative counts. What does this accomplish? Camouflage by maintaining a bigger spread by subtly hiding the fact. You keep your top bets constant based on the TC, and by starting a shoe with $30 instead of $10 will also help hide the size of bet jumps required when the TC starts turning favorable, especially the first big jump at a TC that is more based on the up front house edge.

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    I just stated what the canned sim said in the free CVCX tool output for the parameters given by the OP for no LS, as I stated.

    I don't use Hilo. In level two counts there would be a TC in between each level one TC so increases are much smoother. I imagine such a jump would get some attention, but I am also sure some do it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Short answer is yes they do.
    I took this below partial quote from a post that I made a few days ago in another thread that could help in this area.

    "Say the player said he now bets $30 as his normal minimum bet, on the small tables wonderful, stay there as he has plenty of options. Starting with opening with $30 bets an increasing when the TC rises or dropping down to $20 or $10 "waiting bets" in slightly negative counts. What does this accomplish? Camouflage by maintaining a bigger spread by subtly hiding the fact. You keep your top bets constant based on the TC, and by starting a shoe with $30 instead of $10 will also help hide the size of bet jumps required when the TC starts turning favorable, especially the first big jump at a TC that is more based on the up front house edge.
    Further, utilizing this strategy, though it has a slight negative impact on SCORE, allows for some creative Tom foolery. Assume 6 deck typical rules including surrender, providing an approx house edge of .5. Your bottom neg bet is $10, your standard opening bet is $25, and you utilize a $200 or $300 (modest 1-8 or 12 spread based in $25 min doesnt excite the pit). At true 1, even with the house, and depending on your approach you whack it up to $50. Then, at plus 2, with a .5 house edge over the house, you parlay the $50 to $100.

    Note what's happened. You upped your bet at true 1, even with the house, willing to trade variance. Your first advantage bet at true 2 was parlayed from $50 to $100. Now, at true 3, your advantage is DOUBLE what it was at true 2. It would be foolish not to double your bet to $200, equalling your doubled advantage. Now, your increase from true 3 to true 4, increases your advantage 50%, so, your bet goes to $300. I trust you catch the drift.

    If you don't trade variance at true 1, then the betting bpvalues still 1,2,3 and 4 are respectively 25,50,100,150.

    I use a different strategy, but just some food for thought.

    With your negative bet at $10, either way, they're pretty good spreads.
    Last edited by Freightman; 08-06-2018 at 06:35 PM. Reason: Correct a typo error which distorted meaning

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