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    Help with CVData simulation

    Hello All,

    I ran two simulations with same basic high low and betting size but different rules. The hourly is so different, and want to see if the number looks right to you.

    Simulation 1 Hourly $160 ($25 per unit)

    3 decks, LS,HS17, Pen is a little bit less than a deck(I ran simulation with pen 40 cards)


    >=0 1
    1 2
    2 4
    3 8
    4 12
    5 16
    >=6 20

    Simulation 2 Hourly $28 (($25 per unit)

    6 decks, No surrender, HS17, Pen is about a deck and half (I ran simulation with pen 75 cards)

    >=0 1
    1 2
    2 4
    3 8
    4 12
    5 16
    >=6 20


    Also, if I use standard 1-15 spread bet for simulation 2, it's losing play. The hourly rate is -1.98. Does this make sense to you?
    Last edited by logicalbj; 08-06-2018 at 09:41 AM.

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    Looks right. The bet spread should generally be larger for six decks than three. Click on the Call CVCX button on the sim summary page and the optimal betting spread will be calculated and results adjusted.
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    CVData refers to this as cards after the cut card.
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    Thanks! So 1-15 spread bet in 6 deck shoe is losing play? Wow!! I will check it in CVCX later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Looks right. The bet spread should generally be larger for six decks than three. Click on the Call CVCX button on the sim summary page and the optimal betting spread will be calculated and results adjusted.

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    No, you just need to correct the betting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    No, you just need to correct the betting.
    I see nothing wrong with the 6-deck betting that could conceivably make it a losing play. He's doing something wrong.

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    Looks like 6:5. File-Backup, create a backup and e-mail to [email protected].
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    For a 20:1 spread on 6 deck/75 cut off, H17, DAS, Hilo full with a $25 minimum bet; I get a ramp of:

    >=0 1
    1 2
    2 8
    3 16
    >=4 20

    with an EV of about $80/hr. With BR $37K and RoR of 13.2%.

    You are waiting too long to get to your max bet. That is what Norm meant by fixing the betting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    For a 20:1 spread on 6 deck/75 cut off, H17, DAS, Hilo full with a $25 minimum bet; I get a ramp of:

    >=0 1
    1 2
    2 8
    3 16
    >=4 20

    with an EV of about $80/hr. With BR $37K and RoR of 13.2%.

    You are waiting too long to get to your max bet. That is what Norm meant by fixing the betting.
    The ramp is adequate to produce a decent win. Stop attacking the ramp! The sim is WRONG. Period.

    Don

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    Just trying to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by logicalbj View Post
    Simulation 1 Hourly $160 ($25 per unit)

    3 decks, LS,HS17,
    Quote Originally Posted by logicalbj View Post
    6 decks, No surrender, HS17,
    I am just curious about you stating HS17 in both examples. Did you sim both ways for hit or stand on soft 17?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    I am just curious about you stating HS17 in both examples. Did you sim both ways for hit or stand on soft 17?
    Probably means "Hits Soft 17." Note to OP: the abbreviation for that is just H17. S17 means "Stands on soft 17." Don't combine the two!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Probably means "Hits Soft 17." Note to OP: the abbreviation for that is just H17. S17 means "Stands on soft 17." Don't combine the two!

    Don
    That's correct. Thanks!!

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