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    Moving from Zen to HO2, need help please.

    Couple months ago I decided to move from Zen to HO2. Have some problems with ASC but finally I got it but relearn the tag of 6 is big trouble. Practice at home with decks of card or software like BJ Verite Drills or Advantage BJ it let you know if you make errors. However in live table play with distractions like noises, evade the heat, talk to P.B/dealer/other players make me doubt it is errors free as sometimes I realize I counted 6 with tag of 2 as in Zen. With that problem I think I have 3 choices:
    A- Keep the Zen but side count A.
    B- Count the 6 with tag value of 2 as in Zen, I dupe myself to called this count as "Unbalance HO2" but find nothing about it indices. Any ideas?
    C- Keep relearn the tag of 6 until master it.
    I mostly play DD: DOA2, DAS, NS, H17, 1card to split A, pen about 70% to 75% depends on dealer and sometimes play 6/5 SD: DOA2, DAS, LS, H17, 1card to split A if I see a deeply deal dealer.
    I do not mean to start heated debate about the "best count" so please focus on what I said above.
    Good cards to all of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cc12b View Post
    Couple months ago I decided to move from Zen to HO2. Have some problems with ASC but finally I got it but relearn the tag of 6 is big trouble. Practice at home with decks of card or software like BJ Verite Drills or Advantage BJ it let you know if you make errors. However in live table play with distractions like noises, evade the heat, talk to P.B/dealer/other players make me doubt it is errors free as sometimes I realize I counted 6 with tag of 2 as in Zen. With that problem I think I have 3 choices:
    A- Keep the Zen but side count A.
    B- Count the 6 with tag value of 2 as in Zen, I dupe myself to called this count as "Unbalance HO2" but find nothing about it indices. Any ideas?
    C- Keep relearn the tag of 6 until master it.
    I mostly play DD: DOA2, DAS, NS, H17, 1card to split A, pen about 70% to 75% depends on dealer and sometimes play 6/5 SD: DOA2, DAS, LS, H17, 1card to split A if I see a deeply deal dealer.
    I do not mean to start heated debate about the "best count" so please focus on what I said above.
    Good cards to all of you.
    Either one is OK. Just choose the one you feel most comfortable to play with and make no mistake using it.

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    If you want to change up the tags you can easily generate indices in CVdata, but honestly you would be better off either playing one or the other, no need in complicating things by changing tags and creating custom indices.

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    Two questions:

    1) what is DOA2
    2) How are you able to gain an edge over a 6/5 game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus Prime View Post
    Two questions:

    1) what is DOA2
    think he means double on any first 2 cards (DOA),

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus Prime View Post
    2) How are you able to gain an edge over a 6/5 game?
    Spreading far and wide...think 8D spread with a 1-3 hand opening.

    Good luck with your barring!

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    Dogman and Canadien answered Prime's questions, thanks, but I would add that 6/5 SD is tough game you can only do that where casino has tolerance with big spreads and dealer/s give you good pen. When I jumped from table min to 2x105 (red on top of 4 greens at 2 spots) someone at table looked at me to see if I drunk.

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    C is the obvious choice for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cc12b View Post
    Couple months ago I decided to move from Zen to HO2. Have some problems with ASC but finally I got it but relearn the tag of 6 is big trouble. Practice at home with decks of card or software like BJ Verite Drills or Advantage BJ it let you know if you make errors. However in live table play with distractions like noises, evade the heat, talk to P.B/dealer/other players make me doubt it is errors free as sometimes I realize I counted 6 with tag of 2 as in Zen. With that problem I think I have 3 choices:
    A- Keep the Zen but side count A.
    B- Count the 6 with tag value of 2 as in Zen, I dupe myself to called this count as "Unbalance HO2" but find nothing about it indices. Any ideas?
    C- Keep relearn the tag of 6 until master it.
    I mostly play DD: DOA2, DAS, NS, H17, 1card to split A, pen about 70% to 75% depends on dealer and sometimes play 6/5 SD: DOA2, DAS, LS, H17, 1card to split A if I see a deeply deal dealer.
    I do not mean to start heated debate about the "best count" so please focus on what I said above.
    Good cards to all of you.
    Unbalancing HO2 is useless. It won't work well with the ASC method use in traditional HO2. Simulated it and compare it to traditional HO2 with ASC and you will see the difference. It can't even perform on level with ZEN. If you going side count with ZEN it is better that you do it with the Ace and 2s.

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