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    Quote Originally Posted by spiderman View Post
    A8 double is a funny play. A8 vs 6 is a basic strategy double for h17, which is now all I play and yet I almost never see any players double. The few I do see double are likely counters. It probably is the most misplayed basic strategy hand.

    Doubling A8 v 6 in DD is an anti-longevity play. It's probably worse than T splitting in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiderman View Post
    A8 double is a funny play. A8 vs 6 is a basic strategy double for h17, which is now all I play and yet I almost never see any players double. The few I do see double are likely counters. It probably is the most misplayed basic strategy hand.
    I'd say this is true only because they don't know the strategy changes between S17 and H17. A7 vs 2 is another. But generically, A7 vs 10 is STILL, IMO, the most misplayed hand. Players know this is a hit but just won't do it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiderman View Post
    A8 double is a funny play. A8 vs 6 is a basic strategy double for h17, which is now all I play and yet I almost never see any players double. The few I do see double are likely counters. It probably is the most misplayed basic strategy hand.
    Silly of me to give an example from a S17 game perspective which I only play, and to forget that many players can not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    Doubling A8 v 6 in DD is an anti-longevity play. It's probably worse than T splitting in that regard.
    Yikes, did not realize it was that bad. I always play it "properly", to the amazement of some players. One time a PC defended my play of A8 v 6 when the dealer was aghast lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesonDetroit View Post
    Yikes, did not realize it was that bad. I always play it "properly", to the amazement of some players. One time a PC defended my play of A8 v 6 when the dealer was aghast lol.
    Interesting, dealers have usually defended me by saying 'the book says to double.'

    BTW, the tough one is hitting a soft 18 against a 9 - A. Some players become enraged!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJer View Post
    Interesting, dealers have usually defended me by saying 'the book says to double.'
    Yeah I was kind of surprised by this particular dealer being thrown for a loop on it. Might not have been a usual dealer of Blackjack.

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    I've seen others become upset over doubling A7 v 5,6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    I've seen others become upset over doubling A7 v 5,6.
    I was once threatened physically for surrendering. I upset the sacred flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    I've seen others become upset over doubling A7 v 5,6.
    I know the feeling. Tell me about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    I was once threatened physically for surrendering. I upset the sacred flow.
    I can't believe that people believe that myth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJer View Post
    I can't believe that people believe that myth.
    A counter joined my table, and when the deck went negative, he said he would sit out to help change the flow. I told that asshole (later) that I never wanted him to play at my table again.

    On another occasion, a counter at my table took a well timed whiz break, returning to find me making max bets.

    I've shared a table a few times with a another high stakes player. When she wanted to take off, she would, if the deck was negative, continue to play until the shoe was neutral. That displays class.

    I've occasionally expected an important phone call, I would inform my seasoned table mate of this, that I would take the call regardless of whether the deck was negative or positive.

    I've taken a well timed whiz break, returning to a green chip tip from a ploppy table mate. My duversion game him a 200-1 bet payout earning him 5k.

    Protocols catering to the level of your table mates, like everything else, can be done with class or crassness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    A counter joined my table, and when the deck went negative, he said he would sit out to help change the flow. I told that asshole (later) that I never wanted him to play at my table again.

    On another occasion, a counter at my table took a well timed whiz break, returning to find me making no max bets.

    I've shared a table a few times with a another high stakes player. When she wanted to take off, she would, if the deck was negative, continue to play until the shoe was neutral. That displays class.

    I've occasionally expected an important phone call, I would inform my seasoned table mate of this, that I would take the call regardless of whether the deck was negative or positive.
    I'm confused; are these teammates? I'm not clear why you're condemning other counters you're unaffiliated with from wonging out and praising another for playing at a disadvantage for the sake of class (not even camouflage). Like, I would be bothered as well if I were at the table, but I can't imagine myself recommending them to do anything else if it were them asking me for advice in general (other than, perhaps, "be less obvious, for longevity"). Not trying to be adversarial, I just think I'm missing something here. It sounds like you're suggesting that you would recommend they _not_ take advantage of a scenario where they can get out of playing hands at a disadvantage, and I'm just not understanding the benefit to them of taking that advice. Which is why I'm confused; thanks for clarifying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesonDetroit View Post
    I'm confused; are these teammates? I'm not clear why you're condemning other counters you're unaffiliated with from wonging out and praising another for playing at a disadvantage for the sake of class (not even camouflage). Like, I would be bothered as well if I were at the table, but I can't imagine myself recommending them to do anything else if it were them asking me for advice in general (other than, perhaps, "be less obvious, for longevity"). Not trying to be adversarial, I just think I'm missing something here. It sounds like you're suggesting that you would recommend they _not_ take advantage of a scenario where they can get out of playing hands at a disadvantage, and I'm just not understanding the benefit to them of taking that advice. Which is why I'm confused; thanks for clarifying!
    None were team mates. Where the guy wonged out, he begged to join. As a fellow counter, it showed a lack of class, to "change the flow". As for the counter waiting for neutral before heading out, I considered it prifessional Courtesy, as did she.

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