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    Double Deck: Betting Spread Advise and Play Strategy Question

    1. I'm new to double deck blackjack and wanted to get advise on my betting spread. A 10x bet spread shouldn't be too aggressive, should it? (percentages in chart below are rounded)

    REKO Betting Schedule.jpg

    2. In Modern Blackjack, it mentions in the basic strategy section that there are a few strategy changes in double deck that are not in six deck.
    a. 9 v 2 double down
    b. 11 v A double down
    c. A,3 v 4 double down
    But if I am counting, should I disregard the above basic strategy changes? Should I just use the shoe-strategy for 9 v 2 and 11 v A (hit if below index and DD at index)? Or do I always double down these two hands in 2 deck blackjack games? Lastly, do I always DD on A,3 v 4?

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercySakesAlive View Post
    1. I'm new to double deck blackjack and wanted to get advise on my betting spread. A 10x bet spread shouldn't be too aggressive, should it?
    2. In Modern Blackjack, it mentions in the basic strategy section that there are a few strategy changes in double deck that are not in six deck.
    a. 9 v 2 double down
    b. 11 v A double down
    c. A,3 v 4 double down
    But if I am counting, should I disregard the above basic strategy changes? Should I just use the shoe-strategy for 9 v 2 and 11 v A (hit if below index and DD at index)? Or do I always double down these two hands in 2 deck blackjack games? Lastly, do I always DD on A,3 v 4?
    Regarding your first question - spreading in DD games is a totally different animal than spreading in shoe games because DD games are watched much more closely and the time it takes for the casino to verify a card-counter is greatly reduced, so you will discover casino tolerances much more quickly.

    As for tolerances, you might find that a 1- 4 spread in Vegas DD will get you a quick tap at most joints if no cover is used (and an automatic non-welcome at affiliated properties). But a properly-selected regional casino might have a sweet DD game with a tolerance of 1 - 8 or more even if they suspect you are counting. The bottom line is to determine the casino's tolerance towards card counters in general. In DD games, it's much easier for the casino to quickly identify you as a counter. So you're giving up valuable information right off the bat. You have to ask yourself the question as to whether it's worth it in that particular casino.

    As for your other questions regarding playing-strategy variations for DD games, you really need to run the sims with your counting method and game rules. Use CVData to generate your own personal indexes for the game. Basic strategy variations for a card-counter in a DD game should be almost irrelevant, because you're going with your own personal indexes.

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    Cool, thanks for the informed reply. Thats really helpful. Going to do an index generation now.
    Last edited by MercySakesAlive; 07-15-2018 at 04:51 PM.

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    I play DD games with a $25 min bet, keep the spread to 1-6 in my state. When in Las Vegas, I keep my max bet at $125 or $150 but ramp up rapidly, going to $100 at F2f (HiLo).

    Even with lesser minimums, I would not go more than a 1-7 spread. I generally stay under $100 as $100 gets the "checks play" announcement.

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    But if I am counting, should I disregard the above basic strategy changes? Should I just use the shoe-strategy for 9 v 2 and 11 v A (hit if below index and DD at index)?
    No, you should use double deck basic strategy and double deck index plays.

    Note also : 6,6 v 7 and 7,7 v 8 become splits (basic strategy).

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    Overall a 1-10 is too aggressive for a DD game. While very profitable it's much easier to spot counting at a DD game over a shoe. If you are in a situation where you want to "milk" a game you are required to have more finesse to maintain any sort of longevity.

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    Cool, thanks for the replies. I liked my 1-10 spread... but I think I'll have to rethink it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercySakesAlive View Post
    Cool, thanks for the replies. I liked my 1-10 spread... but I think I'll have to rethink it now.
    Tolerance is a wonderful thing. The better dd games and pen generally have less. The lousier pen games with poor rules generally have more. I've spread as little as 1-4 and 5, and as much as 1xmin to 2x20 units.

    You can keep your 1-10 spread, simply be selective where you use it, and be cognizant of where you can't.

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    Thanks, Freightman.

    Would you think that playing two hands would be a smarter strategy than playing a 10x bet spread ($10 - $100)?

    Consider this on a 2 deck, DAS, 65% pen, no wonging game

    Bet spread :
    2 x $10
    2 x $25
    2 x $50
    2 x $75

    Results:
    SCORE 69.93
    Win rate $51.34
    RoR 5.0%
    Last edited by MercySakesAlive; 07-16-2018 at 04:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercySakesAlive View Post
    Thanks, Freightman.

    Would you think that playing two hands would be a smarter strategy than playing a 10x bet spread ($10 - $100)?

    Consider this on a 2 deck, DAS, 65% pen, no wonging game

    Bet spread :
    2 x $10
    2 x $25
    2 x $50
    2 x $75

    Results:
    SCORE 69.93
    Win rate $51.34
    RoR 5.0%
    As long as you're happy with 5% ror, have at her. Fine to me, but again, be cognizant of your surroundings.

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    Cool, what do some of you other experienced players think of this playing two hands strategy at double deck? I'm cool with 5% RoR.

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