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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesonDetroit View Post
    One other thought:



    I would qualify that statement; leave whenever you want as long as the shoe isn't currently at a positive count. If it is a place you want to play at regularly, I wouldn't sit there for too long for fear of being backed off unless you know there is little to no heat. But yeah, it doesn't matter how far up or down you are for a session, do not leave if you are in the middle of a shoe playing at a positive count (or there is some other advantageous situation that is not always available, like a dealer exposing hole cards or unusually deep penetration for the game).
    For longevity's sake or to throw heat off, has anyone walked away from a medium to high positive shoe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    For longevity's sake or to throw heat off, has anyone walked away from a medium to high positive shoe?
    I can't imagine walking away from a positive shoe even with heat. I might try more aggressive camouflage, but I don't think any level of heat, besides being actually asked to leave the table would get me out of there. I definitely would get out as soon as the count dropped (and lost a couple min bets in a row, to allow for "guess my luck has run out" type thing) or shuffle came though. Might leave a big bet out (if I won last hand) at start of new shoe for longevity-interested camouflage (or split it to two hands), and get out shortly thereafter, depending on what the heat looked like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    For longevity's sake or to throw heat off, has anyone walked away from a medium to high positive shoe?
    I once ran, not walked from a very positive shoe. It was a little late to throw off heat because that "heat" was bearing down on me. I saw them coming and tried to squeeze in one more round, which I did, but just barely. Probably not one of my better decisions.

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    Playing 4D one deck cut, stand 17 DS RSA is not a bad game.

    The max bet of $25 makes it very hard to win meaningful money.

    If you bet starting at TC 0 5,10,15,25,25,.......... then you will have about a .7% advantage (.07 per round or $7 hour at 100hph). With a 2,000 bank your RoR will be about 20% but go down to around 8% if you can add another 1,000.

    These stats are assuming you are playing perfect basic strategy in all situations and using the sweet 16 indexes. If this is not true then your results will vary and may vary a lot. Making errors at small minimum bets hurts but making errors at TC2 and higher is devastating.

    N0 for the game is about 40,000 rounds, so it is a long way to the promised land.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banker View Post
    It sounds like a great game except for the $25 max bet. If it is a bar game, you may be able to sit out until it is +1TC and then just flat bet $25 till the count goes down below +1TC. If they will allow, you can play multiple hands or add some chips to other players spots if you can.
    Thank you. +1TC it is. From what i read above $10X max bet is the amount to carry.

    Thank you again

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesonDetroit View Post
    Just to be super duper clear, the reason people are saying bring so much to the table is to avoid finding youself in a situation where the count is high and you have run out of money or where you have a bet out and cannot split/double an adequate amount of times (in a double-after-split game especially you are at a higher risk of a combination of that occurring). Both situations are really REALLY bad for your EV. Having to walk away from a table (especially a shoe game where you're playing all) where you finally have an advantage is not good. That means if your max bet is out there, you may have to rebuy in multiple times. That is the time where you make money (and, incidentally, often where you will experience the more painful swings and lose money from your bankroll, which is why $2000 isn't much and has a high RoR; if you're playing a winning game though overall, you're winning more than you're losing here). So, take enough to be able to buy in a lot; I take "as much as I can" (within reason). Certainly it isn't hard to fit $2000 in your pockets. Main rule is, don't sit down at a table with a stop-loss in mind. Sure, if you only want to lose $100 in a session then you can leave at any point the count is especially negative (unlikely to recover) or at the end of a shoe when the count resets. But be prepared to lose more: if the count is really high halfway through the shoe, you have to keep on betting, whether fortune is with you that session or not.

    As for how much to buy in with, I don't think there is as much of a "right" answer. Different people have different preferences for different reasons. At a shoe game I generally buy in initially for 20 min-bets (whatever my min-bet is... "1 unit", not necessarily the table minimum); it isn't much, but it's enough to get through a shoe, and also easily book a loss (but not too big of one) if I lose it quick and end up at the end of a shoe or at a very negative count.
    Thank you........very informative

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatian View Post
    Can someone explain what "bar blackjack" is? Where can it be found, and it's pros/cons.
    It is simply blackjack that is played in a bar.....not casino. I didn't know what else to call it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PocketacesinND View Post
    It is simply blackjack that is played in a bar.....not casino. I didn't know what else to call it.
    Is it a legal game in that state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    Is it a legal game in that state?
    Yes it is legal: regular blackjack played in a bar/tavern/pub.......whatever you might call a place that serves alcohol and popcorn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatian View Post
    It seems you live in nevada, why not exploit better opportunities than a max $25 game? Perhaps taking some time off to accrue more of a bankroll and research the more profitable games would b better?
    I live in North Dakota.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PocketacesinND View Post
    Yes it is legal: regular blackjack played in a bar/tavern/pub.......whatever you might call a place that serves alcohol and popcorn.
    Good game if the limit isn't $25. Bar blackjack sounds fun!

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    Max bet of 25 is noe worth your time (in my opinion)

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    The low max bet isn't actually an issue, as OP is a first time counter so shouldn't be putting more than $25 on the felt per hand until he isn't quite so green. In fact his best play would be to practice at home for a hundred hours first. The first step is to memorize basic strategy, then learn how to count, then practice at home with a shoe, discard tray, and four decks, dealing to yourself and making your basic strategy decisions while keeping count. Once you can keep count and play then you want to memorize the top 20 or so most important deviations from basic strategy as well as how to convert the running count into the true count.

    The idea is you want to be able to implement the strategy close to perfectly before you put your own money into play.

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