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    Are some AP players really able to Count + Shuffle Track simultaneously???

    I did some research on Ace-Sequencing, but I just cannot understand how people are able to count and shuffle track simultaneously. I read that unlike counting, shuffle track is much harder that while many people can count but only some are table to shuffle track.

    I originally use Hi-Opt2+ASC, and I tried doing it with Ace-Sequencing. I know everything needs many hours of practicing, but for now I just cannot believe that some people (unless they have photographic memory) are able to do both simultaneously.

    Any advice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planisphere View Post
    I did some research on Ace-Sequencing, but I just cannot understand how people are able to count and shuffle track simultaneously. I read that unlike counting, shuffle track is much harder that while many people can count but only some are table to shuffle track.

    I originally use Hi-Opt2+ASC, and I tried doing it with Ace-Sequencing. I know everything needs many hours of practicing, but for now I just cannot believe that some people (unless they have photographic memory) are able to do both simultaneously.

    Any advice?
    Do the counting on your fingers and the ace-sequencing in your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chucky baby View Post
    Do the counting on your fingers and the ace-sequencing in your head.
    What if the count gets higher than 10? You may use the toes as well, but what if the count gets higher than 20?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    What if the count gets higher than 10? You may use the toes as well, but what if the count gets higher than 20?
    Use a variation of the FBM ASC.

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    Ace sequencing and shuffle tracking are totally different.

    Ace sequencing requires remembering key cards and how their positions change during the shuffle. Counting is not involved.

    Shuffle tracking REQUIRES counting and you're following ace/ten rich slugs of cards through the shuffle.

    IMO, both pursuits are rarely exploitable these days and hardly worth the time and effort required to master them.

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    With some shuffles tracking the cut off is pretty easy, and of course you will already have its count\

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    A practice technique for those who have difficulty counting due to distractions


    Refer to above post in forum for assistance with the needed skills.....
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    I may have dumb question, How can you shuffles tracking if casino use ASM? or how are you sure the card you want comes to you but not to the dealer or players sit next to you?

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    I like to use a little baccarat notepad for counts higher than 20, sometimes I ask bosses to confirm my results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cc12b View Post
    I may have dumb question, How can you shuffles tracking if casino use ASM? or how are you sure the card you want comes to you but not to the dealer or players sit next to you?

    You don’t.

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