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    DD, lost limit session advice

    I play a deeply dealt (minimum 70%, usually 75%+) DD game with bad rules (double 9-11, Das 9-11 too, no soft doubling unless A,8, H-17, no S) and have had limited success over the years. There is no heat if your spread is 1-6 and max bet is under $200 and you keep your winning under $2k.
    Almost always it's heads up or with one ploppy.

    Now I have won there. However I am in a bad streak. I usually leave after winning $1k but when I am losing, often I hang around. Sometimes I have played as much as 5 hours straight and got to the positive side but my last 2 trips, I went in a hole early and ended up playing 4-5 hours, losing $3-4k each time.

    Given the almost no heat, it's tough to leave the game when behind. I usually take $3-4k to the $25 min. Game. It's probably just variance but I am wondering if I should place a loss limit on my sessions.

    My won/loss record shows a $6k loss in my first year of playing there, about even the second year, up $5 the third year and was up $4k this year through May, the last couple of sessions has brought it into the red.

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    Deeply dealt DD games yield the highest variance due to the greater number of opportunities for big bets that arise. Nothing unusual about your loss.

    Regarding session win or loss limits, they should be viewed as irrelevant. Play the game for the time that you have scheduled for that day unless either the game conditions or your concentration deteriorate. Don't let your win or loss amount dictate how long your session is.

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    WTF,

    Maybe its not variance.

    Bad play choices
    Errors
    Bad bet ramp
    Dealer shorting payouts
    Lost money in bathroom
    Dropped money on floor under table
    Left too early when winning 1K, would have won 6K if you had stayed
    Max bet is too late in TC
    Bad judgement on game management
    Win/loss statistics meaningless due to superficial nature

    Or

    Gravitational pull from moon during the losing period. Check astronomical charts.
    No lucky rabbit foot in pocket
    Lost your four leaf clover

    Whatever...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy View Post
    Deeply dealt DD games yield the highest variance due to the greater number of opportunities for big bets that arise. Nothing unusual about your loss.

    Regarding session win or loss limits, they should be viewed as irrelevant. Play the game for the time that you have scheduled for that day unless either the game conditions or your concentration deteriorate. Don't let your win or loss amount dictate how long your session is.
    Thanks Bigdaddy! I think the issue is that I take losses larger than $2k in a few hours rather badly. Its much easier when you play with short sessions in mind because the losses can be contained. I often regulate myself in local casinos so I am never there for longer than an hour and can then win/lose and go home. Its when I take a few hours to get there, when I have time, that I play longer. The pit guys and dealers know me and dont seem to mind me up as much as $2k and then I have to leave, that is when I am winning but when its going the other way, I lose more than I intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    WTF,

    Maybe its not variance.

    Bad play choices
    Errors
    Bad bet ramp
    Dealer shorting payouts
    Lost money in bathroom
    Dropped money on floor under table
    Left too early when winning 1K, would have won 6K if you had stayed
    Max bet is too late in TC
    Bad judgement on game management
    Win/loss statistics meaningless due to superficial nature

    Or

    Gravitational pull from moon during the losing period. Check astronomical charts.
    No lucky rabbit foot in pocket
    Lost your four leaf clover

    Whatever...........
    Good response, Stealth. Yes, I look at reasons why I might have lost and sometimes, some of the reasons you mention are indeed the reason (bet ramp, errors, late max bet etc.). I am not welcome and the Pit make it obvious if I am up much over $1k, they pay attention to the pen and change dealers (new one uses lesser penn) and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    I play a deeply dealt (minimum 70%, usually 75%+) DD game with bad rules (double 9-11, Das 9-11 too, no soft doubling unless A,8, H-17, no S) ...

    How do they handle a double on A,8 that receives a 2? Do you remember the Sands Regency A,8 double down case ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LVBear584 View Post
    How do they handle a double on A,8 that receives a 2? Do you remember the Sands Regency A,8 double down case ?
    The posted sign says " double on 9-11 only" so anytime you have 9-11, even after split, you can double. A,8 is considered a 9 and they allow it but if you get a 2, then it's a 21. However, you cannot double A,7 or A,6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    The posted sign says " double on 9-11 only" so anytime you have 9-11, even after split, you can double. A,8 is considered a 9 and they allow it but if you get a 2, then it's a 21. However, you cannot double A,7 or A,6.
    I play the same game only @ 50% pen. My spread is wider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    I play the same game only @ 50% pen. My spread is wider.
    Do you have to deal with a lot of variance? When losing, how far down do you go before considering if it's time to pack it in for the day, return another time?

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    Make sure that you are using the correct basic strategy and index plays for your rules and that you are not making any mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    The posted sign says " double on 9-11 only" so anytime you have 9-11, even after split, you can double. A,8 is considered a 9 and they allow it but if you get a 2, then it's a 21. However, you cannot double A,7 or A,6.
    Some Casinos (only) allow A,8 and A,9 is that the case here? And is there any other special cases here? Like insurance, bonuses, or Tens must be same value etc.. Just curious.
    http://bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    I play the same game only @ 50% pen. My spread is wider.
    At what TC do you start to bump your bet?
    http://bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Jackson View Post
    Some Casinos (only) allow A,8 and A,9 is that the case here? And is there any other special cases here? Like insurance, bonuses, or Tens must be same value etc.. Just curious.
    Yes. No, there are no bonuses and such.

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