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    Good job, Zee. An interview with someone who says at the outset they would ban all gambling that is for profit. You present the link without comment because you either didn't find anything interesting in the interview, or you knew with a piece of shit post this was (no offense).

    Awesome work, even by your standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    Good job, Zee. An interview with someone who says at the outset they would ban all gambling that is for profit. You present the link without comment because you either didn't find anything interesting in the interview, or you knew with a piece of shit post this was (no offense).

    Awesome work, even by your standards.
    How is this a necessary or valuable reply? o_O I just don't understand all the random hatred and anger around here. A new thread got posted, you don't like it. I also sometimes don't like threads but I don't come out swinging. I just move on with my day and click into a thread I do find more interesting. I try to avoid getting into the high school crap around here, but that is just so out of left field and rude for no reason.

    I found this post interesting; thanks for sharing, Zee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesonDetroit View Post
    How is this a necessary or valuable reply? o_O I just don't understand all the random hatred and anger around here. A new thread got posted, you don't like it. I also sometimes don't like threads but I don't come out swinging. I just move on with my day and click into a thread I do find more interesting. I try to avoid getting into the high school crap around here, but that is just so out of left field and rude for no reason.

    I found this post interesting; thanks for sharing, Zee.
    You have to excuse full time AP's and pros, a nasty side of their profession is that they develop a need to get their hostilities out. Some of us recreational gamblers actually like casinos but its not work for us. The full timers hate their place of work and get on these forums to take it out. Do you really think some of these guys have anything left to learn about BJ? They know BJ, they come on these threads and forum to get their meanness out though some con themselves into believing they are here to teach or mentor people. I am used to their crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    You present the link without comment because you either didn't find anything interesting in the interview, or you knew with a piece of shit post this was (no offense).

    Awesome work, even by your standards.
    Your arrogance is mindboggling. I post a link and you make these conclusions about my motive. Dude, you dont know me so dont make these conclusions. I did find the interview interesting. I happen to agree that the gambling laws are just a way for the rich to get richer, to exploit the poor. In the old days, people had to travel to lose money and to travel (LV, Atlantic City etc.) they had to have some money but these laws just brought the casinos to where poor people can get to. Now, with sports gambling nationwide, the casinos will be fighting with universities, with small businesses (taverns, restaurants etc.) and more for the student's dollars. Lead to more debt, more drop outs, more pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesonDetroit View Post
    How is this a necessary or valuable reply? o_O I just don't understand all the random hatred and anger around here.
    Because this site is full of jealous dickweeds that just wish they could play a winning blackjack game instead of talking about it 24/7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShipTheCookies View Post
    Because this site is full of jealous dickweeds that just wish they could play a winning blackjack game instead of talking about it 24/7.
    Another dickwad sock new poster - ShitTheCookies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesonDetroit View Post
    How is this a necessary or valuable reply? o_O I just don't understand all the random hatred and anger around here. A new thread got posted, you don't like it. I also sometimes don't like threads but I don't come out swinging. I just move on with my day and click into a thread I do find more interesting. I try to avoid getting into the high school crap around here, but that is just so out of left field and rude for no reason.

    I found this post interesting; thanks for sharing, Zee.
    Good comments! I agree, I found this post interesting! I thought it was interesting how this group (which was neither conservative or liberal) blamed our government on the problem of poor people gambling so much. It mostly referenced state run lotteries and scratch-off tickets as the problem. I’ve read several articles on how these are a regressive taxes on the poor and are worse than casinos. Does anybody know the breakdown of gambling revenues by the state run lotteries/scratch off lottery tickets and casinos? I know casinos are somewhat state sponsored gambling too since the state collects revenues from the casinos. I don’t think that’s what this article was talking about though.

    At any rate, this article directs the fault where it belongs, at our government, which is really at all of us since we elect the politicians. It’s easy to blame the casinos for all the ills that gambling brings to society but they are just just doing what the government has instructed them to do.

    One last comment: I thought it was interesting that our government spends one billion dollars/yr to encourage people to gamble. Again, we need to get our government in line before we ever point the finger at some private company.

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    Here are two arguments against the position advocated by the Stop Predatory Gambling organization mentioned in ZeeBabar's link.

    1. The "Stop Predatory Gambling" website, at https://www.stoppredatorygambling.org/how-we-work/, lists "What We Stand For". The third entry on the list states:

    "We believe that a good society depends on the values of honesty, concern for others, mutual trust, self-discipline, sacrifice, and a work ethic that connects effort and reward."

    However, they don't seem to value "self-discipline". After all, nobody is forcing the poor to gamble. If their organization truly believes that advertising somehow "forces" the poor to gamble, why don't they finance an ad campaign encouraging the poor to save, rather than gamble? Instead, they take the position that because some people can't gamble responsibly, then no one should be allowed to gamble: isn't this the same argument used to support Prohibition a hundred years ago? Look how well THAT worked.

    2. The first entry in their "What We Stand For" list says:

    "We believe everyone in America should have a fair opportunity to get ahead and improve their economic standing."

    Well, isn't that the reason we are all on this website? By learning about Advantage Play, we are all trying to improve our economic standing. Why shouldn't everyone have the same opportunity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dog Hand View Post
    Here are two arguments against the position advocated by the Stop Predatory Gambling organization mentioned in ZeeBabar's link.

    1. The "Stop Predatory Gambling" website, at https://www.stoppredatorygambling.org/how-we-work/, lists "What We Stand For". The third entry on the list states:

    "We believe that a good society depends on the values of honesty, concern for others, mutual trust, self-discipline, sacrifice, and a work ethic that connects effort and reward."

    However, they don't seem to value "self-discipline". After all, nobody is forcing the poor to gamble. If their organization truly believes that advertising somehow "forces" the poor to gamble, why don't they finance an ad campaign encouraging the poor to save, rather than gamble? Instead, they take the position that because some people can't gamble responsibly, then no one should be allowed to gamble: isn't this the same argument used to support Prohibition a hundred years ago? Look how well THAT worked.

    2. The first entry in their "What We Stand For" list says:

    "We believe everyone in America should have a fair opportunity to get ahead and improve their economic standing."

    Well, isn't that the reason we are all on this website? By learning about Advantage Play, we are all trying to improve our economic standing. Why shouldn't everyone have the same opportunity?

    Dog Hand
    We can argue that way about anything. If you don't want to shoot up Heroin, it's your choice, why ban it? If you don't want to frequent prostitutes, then don't. Why ban prostitution. If I want to open a strip club next to a church or high school, why shouldn't I? Its not my problem if you have difficulty raising your kid or whatever, I have a right to making money.

    We ignored what the rest of the world does As regards guns and we have more mass shootings, more fun deaths than any country in the world and if we ignore it about gambling, it too will become a problem.

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    Dog Hand: I generally agree with what you are saying. But I would like for more regulatory oversight on gambling similar in some ways to tobacco regulation.

    I would like for every lottery ticket to have printed on it something like this: "less than one in ten thousand people will be net winners after playing the lottery their entire lives"

    I would like to see casinos required to post something like this on all their doors: "more that 99% of the people who gamble regularly will experience a net loss over the course of their lives"

    it's not going to happen. the pro-business lobby is too strong. but that doesn't mean it would be wrong to require this.





    I think there are a great many people who do not have the education to realize how strong the odds are against them in the long run. I would like for education on the subject to become more widespread.
    Can we get that for 6:5 BJ too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drunk View Post
    Dog Hand: I generally agree with what you are saying. But I would like for more regulatory oversight on gambling similar in some ways to tobacco regulation.

    I would like for every lottery ticket to have printed on it something like this: "less than one in ten thousand people will be net winners after playing the lottery their entire lives"

    I would like to see casinos required to post something like this on all their doors: "more that 99% of the people who gamble regularly will experience a net loss over the course of their lives"

    it's not going to happen. the pro-business lobby is too strong. but that doesn't mean it would be wrong to require this.


    I think there are a great many people who do not have the education to realize how strong the odds are against them in the long run. I would like for education on the subject to become more widespread.

    Do you really think people who go to a caisno don’t understand the odds are against them and “the house” always wins ? I don’t know anybody that doesn’t know this. The majority of people are in casinos for entertainment...they know over the long run everybody is going to lose.

    You should listen to GWAE podcast number 260. It’s where Bob Dance and Richard Munchkin interviewers Oaf Vancura who is an AP and wrote “Knockout Blackjack”. Olaf has an interesting side job; he also designs slot machines for casinos. His comments caught Richard and Bob by surprise since it’s opposite to what most people think about slot players. Oaf said casinos use focus groups that are slot players. He said everyone of these people said they know they are going to lose all their money when they play slots. What they want is an enjoyable time while they lose it, and they want it to last. He said this is what makes slots difficult to design. How do you make $100 last 30 minutes and give the customer and enjoyable experience? He also said slot players are smart, which also caught Richard and Bob by surprise. It’s an interesting podcast from an AP blackjack standpoint and I learned something about slots and slot players.

    Also, as far as making casinos advertise people will lose, the casinos in my area already do this. On big billboards they say slots payback 97% and then something like loosest slots in town. They are telling their customers that if they give them a dollar, they’ll give back 97 cents and they are proud of this. The government doesn’t even make them do this.

    Again, almost everybody going to caisnos and buying lottery tickets know the odds are stacked against them. They know almost everybody loses. They enjoy the entertainment and they think they might be the lucky one that bucks the odds. How else do you explain the histairia around the power ball lottery when it gets high? The public doesn’t need any more education.

    As far as the problem gambler, they aren’t going to care what someone tells them about gambling. It’s like the problem drinker. Having something printed on a lottery ticket or the door of a casino isn’t going to change anything. If it did, I think most casinos would be okay doing this. And the government would mandate it. In fact, in my area casinos already post messages telling you to stop gambling if you have a problem gambling and to call such and such number. I think this is already mandated by the government. But I doubt if it has much impact on the problem gambler.

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