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    RCJH said
    "I did have a situation where I am known. Locally, I tip more. About 90% of my tips YTD have been within 150 miles of my house. I had a dealer grossly overpay me, and he went as far as to not splay the chips for the camera. I pointed out the overpay, and he whispered "now don't do that...." I finished the shoe, DID NOT TIP, and left. I also waited over 8 months to go back to that casino.

    I had a combo dealer critter offer to help me in that regard. I told him in no uncertain terms never to do that again - heads up at the time. That is collusion. Now, I also didn't discount the possibility that this was a house set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    May or may not be collusion but its a dumb thing for an AP to suggest reduced pen.
    Yeah, you might be right but I actually didn’t want this dealer to get into trouble. After one DD game, she only had two cards left. Each time she tried to put the cut card as far back as she thought she could. She was nervous and I could tell she didn’t know what she was doing. I just gave her a helpful suggestion of moving the cut card up slightly so she didn’t run out of cards. It wasn’t a big deal, but it was the first time I’ve done that.

    I guess you could call it looking out for a fellow human being. If you call that dumb, I guess I’m pretty dumb. I’m surprised you think this might be collusion. Sounds like you’re on the same wave length as Freightman.

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    Has anyone else had ever been told the line that you can only flat bet/or you can play any other game, in an extremely loud hostile way? I have, and this was done while on vacation in Vegas years ago without any prior history with that casino, as well as no unwritten deal going on with the dealer. I thought the pit crew was f----- nuts but besides that, it was a very memorable experience in this aspect. If a player can get a reaction like that from just counting cards I thought just imagine the reaction one would receive if the house also suspected any improprieties going on with an employee. Right then and there I decided I would never put myself in a position like that. Now here is the reason why I would not. The unpredictability of the moment. You more than likely could be dealing with unprofessional security personnel looking to make an impression. Never mind that the casino could have to settle in the distant future, you could easily get messed up big time instantly before anyone even thought about consequences down the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    Yeah, you might be right but I actually didn’t want this dealer to get into trouble. After one DD game, she only had two cards left. Each time she tried to put the cut card as far back as she thought she could. She was nervous and I could tell she didn’t know what she was doing. I just gave her a helpful suggestion of moving the cut card up slightly so she didn’t run out of cards. It wasn’t a big deal, but it was the first time I’ve done that.

    I guess you could call it looking out for a fellow human being. If you call that dumb, I guess I’m pretty dumb. I’m surprised you think this might be collusion. Sounds like you’re on the same wave length as Freightman.
    It's the casino and the pits duty to train/correct the dealer. I have had a dealer taking the risk and placing the cut card too deep in a DD game. The pit guy noticed it and told the dealer that the minimum cut off was a half deck. I pretended not to notice or care where the cut card was and in any case, half deck was still 75% pen in a DD game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    It's the casino and the pits duty to train/correct the dealer. I have had a dealer taking the risk and placing the cut card too deep in a DD game. The pit guy noticed it and told the dealer that the minimum cut off was a half deck. I pretended not to notice or care where the cut card was and in any case, half deck was still 75% pen in a DD game.
    It was once my misfortune of sitting down at a table, with 6 decks sequentially fanned out, and being the first live customer play for a new dealer.

    It was a painful and lengthy experience, as she washed the cards, shuffled, etc. Etc. I was young when the process started.

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    I agree with Dbs and Zee. The penetration can be too deep. The last thing you want is for the dealer to actually run out of cards. That would require supervisor intervention and the dealer would be fixed immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Has anyone else had ever been told the line that you can only flat bet/or you can play any other game, in an extremely loud hostile way? I have, and this was done while on vacation in Vegas years ago without any prior history with that casino, as well as no unwritten deal going on with the dealer. I thought the pit crew was f----- nuts but besides that, it was a very memorable experience in this aspect. If a player can get a reaction like that from just counting cards I thought just imagine the reaction one would receive if the house also suspected any improprieties going on with an employee. Right then and there I decided I would never put myself in a position like that. Now here is the reason why I would not. The unpredictability of the moment. You more than likely could be dealing with unprofessional security personnel looking to make an impression. Never mind that the casino could have to settle in the distant future, you could easily get messed up big time instantly before anyone even thought about consequences down the road.
    There's no reason to take shit from anybody. If it was me, and if I happened to be an unknown commodity - I would have no compunction putting the guy in his place. I am known for my subtlety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronbog View Post
    The last thing you want is for the dealer to actually run out of cards.
    That is laughable and almost as funny as the dealer putting the cut card in the ASM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    Yes. Reviews are done when you hit a specific win/loss point. This amount varies by casino. The pit or surveillance can also decide at any time that you need a skills check too.

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    Thanks again for the response as well as to all the others who chimed in. An additional thing I was wondering in regards to this is, let`s say for the average LV strip casino, what would be a one-time win amount that would automatically trigger a tape review? Obviously I know it`s not the same everywhere as was already discussed. But for the example let`s just say that a middle of the road casino in terms of action where the one-time win is in a vacuum. Meaning, leaving the factor of heat from the pit, etc., completely out of the equation so that the win amount is the only thing considered. 5k? 10k? Not that I`ve hit wins anywhere close to those, I`m just curious. No one may have an exact answer, but I`m sure there`s probably at least a few on here whose educated guess would probably be really close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronbog View Post
    I agree with Dbs and Zee. The penetration can be too deep. The last thing you want is for the dealer to actually run out of cards. That would require supervisor intervention and the dealer would be fixed immediately.
    I have played at a casino and seen the dealer run out of cards on a DD game. It was no big deal. The dealer just shuffled up the discards and finished the hand. At other times, at the same casino dealer came within one or two cards of running out of cards. I do believe Dog Hand that you played at this casino years ago on one of your Midwest visits.

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    My experience was different. When the dealer ran out of cards, she had to call the supervisor who immediately chewed her out and showed her exactly where he expected the cut card to be placed from then on.

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