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    Tape Reviews

    I`ve always wondered, is there a certain amount in terms of a monetary win that triggers a mandatory tape review? Or is it just up to the pit to decide whether play should be reviewed? Obviously I know it will differ from store to store, and that it also will depend on how suspecting the pit and/or surv. is of you, but any kind of information on this would help because I`m pretty clueless when it comes to anything in this area. I know Cellini (I may be spelling his last name/surname wrong) released a book about this subject matter; has anyone read it and have an opinion of whether it`s worth the money? Usually I would just snap buy it as long as it had good reviews, but it`s pretty expensive for a book (I think $55.00 or so), so I don`t want to get it if it`s not going to be worth it....

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    Yes. Reviews are done when you hit a specific win/loss point. This amount varies by casino. The pit or surveillance can also decide at any time that you need a skills check too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    Yes. Reviews are done when you hit a specific win/loss point. This amount varies by casino. The pit or surveillance can also decide at any time that you need a skills check too.

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    The review points are not written in stone, or simply by feel by certain management. If I recall correctly, my local market bounced me at these various points. Time not specified.
    -5 or 6 week run at 18k
    -after hiatus, 5 week run 22 sessions at 28k
    -cumulative 15 or 20 k over 12-18 months. Final straw was some ngative index play. Still pretty much a red chipper then.
    -ytd 50kby August end, losing 8 k over 2 months regaining by 5-6k or so over 3 -4 days in November.
    -85 k one year, 40k the next, (tolerant joint) then had a bad run and recovered. House cleaning after some out if town pillaging

    Bounced by another joint for complaint on buffet. Other dollars from previous play, but I think you get the point.

    One joint never bounced from, converted to CSM.

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    Some stores train dealers to signal verbally when a threshold in tolerance has been surpassed. They yell out something like "black action" or "check play". I assume that this triggers a review? They will do this to obvious ploppies too.

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    Are these mandatory reviews strictly for blackjack or for other games as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatian View Post
    Some stores train dealers to signal verbally when a threshold in tolerance has been surpassed. They yell out something like "black action" or "check play". I assume that this triggers a review? They will do this to obvious ploppies too.
    Checks play is more just to alert the pit of the action so they can keep the rack accounted for and full. Many places track every large denomination chip. If you're playing with them, they need to give the table much more attention to keep up with their bookwork.

    Obviously this attention is unwanted if you're counting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dw44 View Post
    Are these mandatory reviews strictly for blackjack or for other games as well?
    All the games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatian View Post
    Some stores train dealers to signal verbally when a threshold in tolerance has been surpassed. They yell out something like "black action" or "check play". I assume that this triggers a review? They will do this to obvious ploppies too.
    I've also had a Freightman friendly critter ask me to reduce my bet. I had hit the upper limit of a dual ramp bet on a nice run. Her request was so she wouldn't have to "report" the spread. I complied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatian View Post
    Some stores train dealers to signal verbally when a threshold in tolerance has been surpassed. They yell out something like "black action" or "check play". I assume that this triggers a review? They will do this to obvious ploppies too.
    No. The primary reason is to track the black chips and to know who you want to comp and get their rating right. A side benefit can be less friendly if they choose to use the info that way. Just watch the reaction to checks play. Unsuspicious response is for Floor to come over and see what the bet is and glance at the chip tray to note how many black chips are there so they know how many you end up with. It is standard to only pay one player black chips when practical. Once that player is established black chip action should only be called when a different player is given black chips or makes a wager with a black chip. When multiple players are black chipping the Floor has no crutch to track black chips without watching. He will be a very frequent visitor or a dedicated observer when that is the case because that is the only way for him to track black chips. Of course this requires the dealer and Floor be on the same page. This is not dealer 101 procedures. It is the procedures a more experienced dealer will follow. Less experienced dealers will cal checks play every time and call the Floor over too frequently for black action. If it is busy the Floor will hate this. His pit has some big bettors in it but the game slows to crawl and he can't show the kind of hold he would like to show. As lame as it sounds the suits often get blame or credit for low hold and/or drop, or large hold and/or drop. the truth is they have very little to do with either. Now there are tolerance thresholds but I don't think the dealers are aware of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    No. The primary reason is to track the black chips and to know who you want to comp and get their rating right. A side benefit can be less friendly if they choose to use the info that way. Just watch the reaction to checks play. Unsuspicious response is for Floor to come over and see what the bet is and glance at the chip tray to note how many black chips are there so they know how many you end up with. It is standard to only pay one player black chips when practical. Once that player is established black chip action should only be called when a different player is given black chips or makes a wager with a black chip. When multiple players are black chipping the Floor has no crutch to track black chips without watching. He will be a very frequent visitor or a dedicated observer when that is the case because that is the only way for him to track black chips. Of course this requires the dealer and Floor be on the same page. This is not dealer 101 procedures. It is the procedures a more experienced dealer will follow. Less experienced dealers will cal checks play every time and call the Floor over too frequently for black action. If it is busy the Floor will hate this. His pit has some big bettors in it but the game slows to crawl and he can't show the kind of hold he would like to show. As lame as it sounds the suits often get blame or credit for low hold and/or drop, or large hold and/or drop. the truth is they have very little to do with either. Now there are tolerance thresholds but I don't think the dealers are aware of them.
    Ahhh your right! I had this confused a little I guess. Good to know, as I had thought I was screwed at every store that a dealer yelled this out at. That's a shame, I lowered my spread a few times in response to "check play". However, I did once have a trans dealer who was hitting on me abruptly yell out aggressive spread or something like that for just doing red to green. She or he or ze then gave me 50% pen on the next shoe.

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