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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    Excellent post. It’s pretty easy to understand why most people don’t care if bj is 3:2 or 6:5 when they can’t stay off the sucker side bet. The side bet on the bj games I play has about a 10% house edge. Most the time I’m the only one not playing it, but I will still have as many as 3 ploppies playing on my side bet at the same time. The locals think I hit it more than they do.

    I don’t think it matters much to ploppies if they’re playing 6:5 or 3:2. If they aren't counting, they are going to lose playing either game, and I think most know this. They are just there for entertainment but they still hope they will get lucky and win in the short term.
    Thanks for reminding me about the side bet. They tweaked Match the Dealer only on the 6:5 tables. Dealers have been telling the players that it makes up for the lower blackjack payout. A couple of the payouts have been raised slightly much to the delight of the adoring fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    They are going to have competition that everyone driving from Boston will pass on the way, if they were continuing on to the CT casinos.

    MS is using the Atlantic City model. When PA casinos came into being, AC made their games worked. Worked well for them, didn't it? :-)
    Mohegan Sun is partners with Resorts AC. In fact, I believe they have been managing Resorts for the last 5 years or so. I know that Resorts accepts Mohegan Sun's player's club points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paymypush View Post
    Thanks for reminding me about the side bet. They tweaked Match the Dealer only on the 6:5 tables. Dealers have been telling the players that it makes up for the lower blackjack payout. A couple of the payouts have been raised slightly much to the delight of the adoring fans.
    Yeah, how ploppies think about the side bets cracks me up. I regularly hear them say “the side bet is the only thing keeping me in the game” as they are pulling out 100 after 100 to keep going. I always tell them the good thing about bj is the casinos will let you keep playing as long as you can keep refueling.

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    It's variance that keeps gamblers going, and dealers encourage it, because that's when they get tipped the most - the big hit on a side bet. That's why DDB is so popular and JoB not so much, in the VP world.

    It's funny - I've had plenty of players at Sp21 ask me why I bother with this game if I'm not playing MTD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    They are going to have competition that everyone driving from Boston will pass on the way, if they were continuing on to the CT casinos.

    MS is using the Atlantic City model. When PA casinos came into being, AC made their games worked. Worked well for them, didn't it? :-)
    THIS. This is exactly right. I know you mean worse. I was in AC at the time PA casinos were opening and they were making things worse and hitting H17. Finally people had enough and left and didn’t come back.

    Why will people come to MS now? I can assure you when the norm is established as 6:5 at MS people will go else where. There are plenty of places to go. I always thought it was stupid they offered 6D hand shuffled with really great rules at $10 tables. They could’ve at least just H17 or done something else to change the edge, but this is absurd. East coast BJ players are not as stupid as people make them out to be especially ones that are going all the way to MS. This is a collasal mistake that might look okay now, but people will not stand for it.

    Can someone confirm if they’re dealing 6 or 8 decks in the HL room? Also are they hand shuffling still or have they finally gotten ASM’s?
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    All the games are still hand shuffled. I noticed a few dealers having trouble managing the extra decks during the shuffle. I don't know if the number of decks has changed in the HL room, Paymypush?

    This will change my strategy. Despite the usually bad penetration there, I would still go to play six deck since it is easier and faster than the 8 decks at Foxwoods. Sometimes I would run into a dealer who would deal to a deck. Now that they are cutting off 2 decks from the 8 deck shoe, there is not much incentive to play there anymore. Even though I wasn't impressed, I will choose New World Resorts in Monticello, NY the next time I want to play 6D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halbruno View Post
    All the games are still hand shuffled. I noticed a few dealers having trouble managing the extra decks during the shuffle. I don't know if the number of decks has changed in the HL room, Paymypush?

    This will change my strategy. Despite the usually bad penetration there, I would still go to play six deck since it is easier and faster than the 8 decks at Foxwoods. Sometimes I would run into a dealer who would deal to a deck. Now that they are cutting off 2 decks from the 8 deck shoe, there is not much incentive to play there anymore. Even though I wasn't impressed, I will choose New World Resorts in Monticello, NY the next time I want to play 6D.
    As of yesterday the HL rooms were using the old rules. The claim is that they are going to 8 decks but retaining S17. I'll stop by tomorrow to check.

    Foxwoods is looking better and better. My base bet is $25 and I can no longer play that at either casino without H17 and 8 decks so I'M going to take a serious look at penetration. I already know the answer to that though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ds View Post
    Originally Posted by Dbs6582
    If you don’t like different views, or a more pro-business slant to various topics than I’d suggest putting me on ignore. Several APs have already done this because they can’t handle views that are different than theirs.
    People get put on ignore because their posts are always wrong AND they don't listen when everyone tells them they are wrong. There is no worthwhile discussion because the brain dead can't think well enough to realize they are wrong despite everyone else explaining the numerous flaws in the line of thinking, or learn anything to begin with. Dealing with them is proven to be a waste of effort and reading all their posts full of incorrect information is damaging if you believe it or a waste of time if you see how wrong it is. Either way the poster is best added to your ignore list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackjackFeign View Post
    THIS. This is exactly right. I know you mean worse. I was in AC at the time PA casinos were opening and they were making things worse and hitting H17. Finally people had enough and left and didn’t come back.

    Why will people come to MS now? I can assure you when the norm is established as 6:5 at MS people will go else where. There are plenty of places to go. I always thought it was stupid they offered 6D hand shuffled with really great rules at $10 tables. They could’ve at least just H17 or done something else to change the edge, but this is absurd. East coast BJ players are not as stupid as people make them out to be especially ones that are going all the way to MS. This is a collasal mistake that might look okay now, but people will not stand for it.

    Can someone confirm if they’re dealing 6 or 8 decks in the HL room? Also are they hand shuffling still or have they finally gotten ASM’s?
    Yep. The AC model proved when games open that are as close or closer to the current clients home the quickest way to drive away your customer base is to make your offerings worse. It is a recipe for disaster as has been repeatedly proven. Keeping your games competitive or making them better than the new competition is the way to keep or increase your client base rather than have it steadily dwindle over the next few decades. But the casinos listen to bean counters that say you will make this much more per hour. What the bean counters fail to say is you will make this much more per hour ON THE PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP. If fewer people show up you will lose money. And of some of the ones that continue to show up they lose all they are willing to lose already so making them lose it faster isn't likely to keep their loyalty. So the actual results, as shown repeatedly by real world results, is making the games worse when you have new competition showing up in the form of new casinos will results in a massive reduction of profits that gets worse over time and once the patrons start visiting these more convenient casinos with the same or better games they pretty much are impossible to lure back to being loyal patrons.

    Any business executive that knows his stuff while tell you rule #1 is to keep or increase a loyal customer base. Anything that threatens that should not be done. It is far easier to keep your customer base than to lose customers and have to figure out a way to replace them. Increasing your customer base can be very difficult for some industries especially when more and more competition are available for customers to choose from. And increasing the customer base is usually expensive unless what you offer is so good you clients bring in more clients for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    People get put on ignore because their posts are always wrong AND they don't listen when everyone tells them they are wrong. There is no worthwhile discussion because the brain dead can't think well enough to realize they are wrong despite everyone else explaining the numerous flaws in the line of thinking, or learn anything to begin with. Dealing with them is proven to be a waste of effort and reading all their posts full of incorrect information is damaging if you believe it or a waste of time if you see how wrong it is. Either way the poster is best added to your ignore list.

    I 100% disagree. People are putting me on ignore for things that can NOT be proven by math. Out disagreements are related to subjective topics where there is no right or wrong answer. Our disagreements are never related to the math of blackjack.

    Go back and look at why Stealth put me on ignore (or he called it backing me off - my first back off by an AP)). It was because I said I could spot a counter and he said I couldn’t and then he backed me off. This made no sense to me because he doesn’t know my ability and what he said I did was incorrect. He said I just made my judgment due to a person raising their bet. I told him he was wrong. I make my judgment when they raised their bet with the count. Btw, this is how casinos spot counters too. Flash has given a detailed discription of what casinos do to determine if someone is counting. It’s exactly what I do. I’m still unclear why Stealth thinks I’m unable to identify a counter but I know he’s upset with me. I wish that wasn’t the case because I respect him.

    Here’s something this group doesn’t understand. The majority view is not always correct. You said “everybody tells them they are wrong”. We’re debating topics related to how we think about casinos and how they operate, which are not objective and are subject to opinion. When an opinion doesn’t agree with mainstream AP logic, people get upset and don’t want to discuss the topic anymore. It reminds of when I was in elementary school and a kid would get upset at something and take all their marbles and go home.

    I respect you Three. You’ve made a lot of good posts that have helped my blackjack game. You have a lot of knowledge of blackjack and I like that you always take the time to answer people’s questions with detailed answers. I’ve got a lot out of your posts.

    Also, thanks for responding to my posts. I’m glad you don’t have me on ignore yet. I’m okay with being on ignore with Freightman because when he disagrees with someone all he does is call them names. It’s kind of funny but it gets old when this is his only quiver in his intellectual bow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    This is almost comical. I’m seeing a consistent pattern here. When you can’t make a coherent point, just post some stupid YouTube video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    This is almost comical. I’m seeing a consistent pattern here. When you can’t make a coherent point, just post some stupid YouTube video.
    I will answer you one more time. Your reputation for posting absolutely and totally false stuff is well established. You reputation for being a troll is even more well established. Any time spent correcting you with what everyone else already knows is a complete waste of time because you are either trolling or can't learn and everyone else already knows the stuff so there would be no gain to anyone. To put in in AP terms reading or answering is totally -EV with no hope of any +EV. It is the forum equivalent of even money BJ game that doesn't allow doubling or splitting and takes all the tens out of the deck so only face cards remain. If you think the people that still read your posts take anything you post seriously you have just revealed another thing you are clueless about, credibility.

    By the way I put up the quote of what I saw because I didn't need to read your post to know the Joe Pesci scene described it perfectly. The Emails I have received from posters I know about the post confirm it was absolutely wrong.

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