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    But I'm not playing "millions and millions of hands" and no human will ever do this, as a matter of fact. Therefore, I'm only concerned about this "short-term" playing!

    I dont think you understand why I'd rather get rid of specific split hands in the 1st place. You mentioned "double" but I dont know anyone in their right minds who would ever double 7/7 vs ANYTHING..... it's the Split Hands that I'm trying to get rid of, NEVER doubles as we always have the advantage on proper double downs, even as marginal as 51% on A/2 vs 6, for example...

    Anyway, I didn't come here to debate %'s on proper BS calls nor why I'm not a counter. I came here specifically wanting to know where it shows that 40x my avg bet will be good 95% of time, and 30x will be good 90%, etc.... Thank You.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BughouseMASTER View Post
    Anyway, I didn't come here to debate %'s on proper BS calls nor why I'm not a counter. I came here specifically wanting to know where it shows that 40x my avg bet will be good 95% of time, and 30x will be good 90%, etc.... Thank You.
    I don't know whether those statistics are correct or not. But I pointed you at the definitive resource for your question on the other forum, which is Blackjack Attack, 3rd Edition by Don Schlesinger. I sincerely hope that you get a copy, read the material, and determine the session bankroll which is right for you.

    I agree that this has gone off topic, so this will be my last response. Hopefully others can learn from the rest of the discussion.

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    But I'm not playing "millions and millions of hands" and no human will ever do this, as a matter of fact. Therefore, I'm only concerned about this "short-term" playing!
    You don't need to play millions of and millions of hands to reach the long term. Look up the statistic called N0 (N-zero). It's the number of hands you need to play before your expectation equals one standard deviation. At 4 x N0 hands, the math is all but guaranteed to have asserted itself. If you play regularly, you will easily reach this within your lifetime. For what it's worth, the reason we simulate millions and billions of hands is to compute statistics down to several decimal places of accuracy. You don't need to do that in order to end up on the expected side of the math.

    Quote Originally Posted by BughouseMASTER View Post
    I dont think you understand why I'd rather get rid of specific split hands in the 1st place. You mentioned "double" but I dont know anyone in their right minds who would ever double 7/7 vs ANYTHING..... it's the Split Hands that I'm trying to get rid of, NEVER doubles as we always have the advantage on proper double downs, even as marginal as 51% on A/2 vs 6, for example...
    You said:

    Quote Originally Posted by BughouseMASTER View Post
    offensive/defensive hand interaction is either trying to get rid of a shitty cards (i.e. 7/7 vs 2 or 3) and trying to take advantage of someone else's double down after noticing they're timid to do it themselves
    I read that to mean that you sacrifice the weak hand in order to improve on the result of scavenging someone else's double. You didn't say what you meant by "get rid of", but I took it to mean that you would stand in order to "save" the next card for the scavenged double. If you meant them to be separate techniques, then my apologies. However, know that there is a cost to "getting rid" of weak hands by departing from basic strategy without additional information (e.g. counting).

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    Bughouse want me to recall some stuff from a
    guy that nobody regards as an expert. Fred Renzey

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    Bughouse want me to recall some stuff from a
    guy that nobody regards as an expert. Fred Renzey
    That's why he's got mad books out huh. Yeah makes a lot of sense.

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    Bughouse, invest in CVCX. You won't regret it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    As a simple rule of thumb, as I am asked this very often,

    I am obliged to respond as follows:

    Depending on table conditions a "good" starting bankroll

    is roughly 1,400 units for poor conditions and 400 units for the best games.

    Between these lies what one needs. A "unit" is the minimum bet that you can make.

    This leads to a logical question as to a bet "ramp" or "spread" To wit I describe how to

    set a max bet at a 2% win rate and work
    backward from there.
    Well, I do play bughouse chess. If that would have any relevance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BughouseMASTER View Post
    "That's why he's got mad books out huh. Yeah makes a lot of sense."
    You think that F.R.'s book are "MAD" tells us that you may be too young to play in a casino.
    Try not to be sarcastic
    .Renzeys books are pretty much worthless when it comes to Blackjack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umbrellaman View Post
    Bughouse, invest in CVCX. You won't regret it.
    He'll immediately regret it since he doesn't count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    You think that F.R.'s book are "MAD" tells us that you may be too young to play in a casino.
    Try not to be sarcastic.Renzeys books are pretty much worthless when it comes to Blackjack.
    What's your problem with Renzy? There's good stuff in Blackjack Bluebook II for someone just getting started. I'm not sure why you picked this particular fight when there's plenty to pick apart with OP's post.

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    I apologize for my critical statement. I actually forgot that he wrote a decent elementary
    book on blackjack where he presented several weak level one systems. He did include one
    system that, at first blush, looks identical to the ZEN COUNT, but weakened by suggesting
    that the TC needs to be computed via RC over the number of TWO deck packs remaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    I apologize for my critical statement. I actually forgot that he wrote a decent elementary
    book on blackjack where he presented several weak level one systems. He did include one
    system that, at first blush, looks identical to the ZEN COUNT, but weakened by suggesting
    that the TC needs to be computed via RC over the number of TWO deck packs remaining.

    Hmmm, an apology subject to limitations, conditions and justifications.

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    Who needs counting when you have the amazing Mag 7 is what you're saying? So, uhm, perhaps you could elaborate on the criteria for this 1-5 spread you speak of using the Mag 7, or maybe describe the Mag 7? I'm hoping it's more effective than the Yellow River 9, which are the last 9 things similar to what you are describing put into their own special section of the forum, highlighted in yellow.

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    Bughousemaster,

    I did visit your website and it appears you are an industrious young man with some talents that set you apart.

    Be careful to not let that confidence from these talents spill into areas where you are very weak and most particularly blackjack.

    If you have an interest in profitable (AP) blackjack then take the earlier advice and get Blackjack Attack III, read it and then return with your questions and comments.

    Otherwise, we have heard all the wonderful things about all the blackjack systems you can imagine. We understand.

    Best of luck to you in your chess and jazz adventures.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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