should i leave casino after i have a good run. plz advice pros thx

[abc4000]

There are reasons to leave but they are not mathematical. You should consider heat along with other aspects that affect long term play. For example you don't want to win too much or stay too long for the sake of your future at the casino. If you win a lot but not as much as their tolerance and continue play two things are likely. One you seem to be familiar with, which is giving money back to the casino. The other is you will crush a shoe so when that is added to what you have already won your win is larger than you would like them to see. Both are bad for you in one way or another. When faced with this situation you may want to go to a different casino.

The same can be said about being down significantly. You are likely to either continue to lose or make back what you lost and show a profit. The latter to a casino looks very bad. You didn't win much but the casino views it as a big win. It is better to book a small loss and leave showing happiness that you only lost X instead of 2X to 4X. The former is obviously not good for you.

The reasons for these decisions are not what you are thinking but rather heat related and longevity related.

Another thing to consider is if you are a professional AP that needs the winnings. It is better to pay your bills with winnings than keep playing and possibly lose BR to both the casino and your bills. This is a BR management decision. Pros have to figure expenses into their game plan but, unlike recreational players, expenses also include paying their bills that aren't covered by some other income.

There are other things but I think I illustrated what you need to know. That is that it is voodoo to leave because you think history will repeat itself. After all, it is all one big session. But factors that you must manage as an AP (heat, longevity, BR management, etc) can indicate it is time to move on. When that happens move on. If you happen to be ahead when that happens it is all the better.

Hi three

Thx for writing this much. So the conclusion is if we dont worry about the heat, then mathmatically its gonna be the same no matter how much you won or lose the first day right. We should play as much as we can bc we count win/hour right


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[Midwest Player]

Hi three

Thx for writing this much. So the conclusion is if we dont worry about the heat, then mathmatically its gonna be the same no matter how much you won or lose the first day right. We should play as much as we can bc we count win/hour right


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I think playing conditions can have a huge impact if you win or lose. I always do better on an uncrowded table and I'm more likely to find that uncrowded table on a weekday than a weekend. A Friday night will probably be less crowded than a Sat night.

[ferenc11]

I prefer to play on Monday mornings or Wednesday mornings. Absolute silence in the casino, just a few slot players hanging around and pulling that handle.

[Dbs6582]

Recreational players often quit and preserve a winning trip because the drive/ flight back home is more pleasant. If I go on a 3 day trip with, say $200 in expenses and consider a $1000 as a figure I would be satisfied with, then assuming I am up $2k, I would put away the $1000 and play aggressively with the rest. Sometimes, it's lost, sometimes it ends up with even more. However, I am assured of a winning trip and that is important to me.

At local casinos, I always quit if I am ahead $200-$800 because I want to continue to be welcome there.

Good post! This is pretty much exactly how I play and think at local and destination trip casinos.

[DrewH]

Yeah, I always try to quit while I'm ahead. Better $200 in the pocket than the possibility of $1000.

[BughouseMASTER]

POCKETING CHIPS!! hahaha i love it. I do this and taught the wife to do it too........ and absolutely LOVE doing it when winning of course... i've pocketed black many times cuz it's more $$ that i'm profiting against the casino and the floor doesn't seem to notice that *im* pocketing them! it's also great to pocket chips then lose a lil bit and casino thinks you lost but actually you won..... lol.... nothing but getting COMPED on your winnings!

Anyway I like what someone mentioned above, if you're up 2K and satisfied with 1K winnings what I like to do is DOUBLE my session bet and if I lose half of profits (which can happen very quickly betting $100/hand as what happened to me this last trip!), go back to original. For example I was up about $980 starting out with $1000 so for all intents & purposes that's a grand right so instead of starting $50 I upped it to $100 but lost 4 straight. so back to $50 i went but also applying this same strategy i've won over 10K at Bellagio and bought my S.O. a $2500 LOUIE baby!!!

so you could try my strategy otherwise what you gonna be doing the rest of the time your booked at that casino? and you never answered if you're actually a true advantage player ?

[Three]

They have too account for all the black chips. The dealer's job is to know who had them and will tell the Floor on request. If you get tagged as a ratholer all missing chips will be assigned to you every time you play. It is standard procedure, when practical, in most places to pick one player to give black chips. The Floor counts down the black chips when this is decided. No more black out call is necessary unless the black chips are going to someone else. When you leave the black chips are counted down and all missing chips are assigned to you.

[ZeeBabar]

They have too account for all the black chips. The dealer's job is to know who had them and will tell the Floor on request. If you get tagged as a ratholer all missing chips will be assigned to you every time you play. It is standard procedure, when practical, in most places to pick one player to give black chips. The Floor counts down the black chips when this is decided. No more black out call is necessary unless the black chips are going to someone else. When you leave the black chips are counted down and all missing chips are assigned to you.

Correct, moreover, they often call the cage as you are walking there and verify/check how many chips you turn in. The comps stop when their won/loss record shows you as a consistent winner. In the short term it works but in the long run you lose.

I rathole Red or Green but no more than $100-$200 each session.

[Three]

Correct, moreover, they often call the cage as you are walking there and verify/check how many chips you turn in. The comps stop when their won/loss record shows you as a consistent winner. In the short term it works but in the long run you lose.

Worse, some casinos have the pit call the cage with the dollar amount for the chips you left with. Guess what happens if you cash in for more chips. Yep, the pit gets a call back. Save those ratholed chips for a later visit to the cage.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

In spite of protests to the contrary, one should NEVER "RAT-HOLE" chips.

Once the pit knows that you are POCKETING chips, they make a note of it.

It marks you as a Card Counter. Furthermore, you are making the Pit Critter's

(main) job harder for them, so that adds yet more motivation to bar you.

The O.P. is so stupid that he thinks that he is INVISIBLE to SURVEILLANCE

via the EYE IN THE SKY. I am a veteran Pro Player, old enough to be your

grandfather! Wake Up. If you want to self-destruct that is your business;

just do it elsewhere.

[Dbs6582]

In spite of protests to the contrary, one should NEVER "RAT-HOLE" chips.

Once the pit knows that you are POCKETING chips, they make a note of it.

It marks you as a Card Counter. Furthermore, you are making the Pit Critter's

(main) job harder for them, so that adds yet more motivation to bar you.

The O.P. is so stupid that he thinks that he is INVISIBLE to SURVEILLANCE

via the EYE IN THE SKY. I am a veteran Pro Player, old enough to be your

grandfather! Wake Up. If you want to self-destruct that is your business;

just do it elsewhere.

Flash, you are my favorite poster. I get more out of your posts than anybody else’s. But on this topic, I couldn’t disagree with you more. At your local casino where you have to play rated because everybody knows you by name, ratholing is a must. I agree with ZeeBara on this one.

If you’re a winning player and don’t rathole, you won’t survive at your local casino. The casino tracks your wins and loses at the table. If they see you’re a winning player through their records year after year, they are going to know you’re an AP. Therefore, they will NO longer want your business, which means you will be barred. They know a typical gambler does not win over the long run.

It’s very important to show losses at the table.... not all the time, but you have to have more losses than wins. This can only be done by ratholing green chips secretly. I agree you don’t want to rathole black or purple since these are tracted.

There are several blackjack books that give techniques for ratholing so the “eye in the sky” doesn’t know what you’re doing. You need to practice these techniques in the mirror, like a majician practicing a trick. The books with these tips are The Blackjack Life and Hollywood Dave (I think that’s the name).

I’ve been playing bj for over 10 years at a couple local casinos and I show losses every year due to my ratholing. I would not be able to still play there if I didn’t rathole. I’ve got so good at ratholing my comps go up every year. I’ve found the more I rathole, the more these casinos like me. Ratholing is not as important at casinos you don’t frequent much. And it obviously is not important at all at casino where you play unrated.

For all those playing rated (which is how I play most the time), rateholing without the “eye in the sky” seeing it is a necessary skill set for an AP. This could be why so many APs have burnt out their home stores. They never learned how to rathole.

[Gronbog]

Most people rat hole too much. You only need to stash slightly more than your hourly EV per hour. For many people, that's one or two green chips per hour.

[Dbs6582]

Most people rat hole too much. You only need to stash slightly more than your hourly EV per hour. For many people, that's one or two green chips per hour.

In general, I agree with you. But this is another area where you’ve got to use some common sense. If you're playing at a crowded table where a lot of green chips are flying around, you can rathole more and get away with it. If you’re playing at a table where a ploppy leaves with a bunch of greens without coloring up, rathole away. All the missing greens will be assigned to the guy who left with a pile of chips.

Ratholing is an art. After you rathole a while, you’ll get a feel for what you can get away with. Don’t take it to extremes, but jump on opportunities when they arise.